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Robert99

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1485 on: February 26, 2017, 12:10:06 AM »
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I have this nightmare that, a few years from now, IBM's Watson will solve this case and I'll have to find something else to obsess about constantly.

Even Watson would need some real data to calculate options with. Im willing to bet Watson wouldn't be be much further along than humans are - humans programed Watson.  :)) Hopefully the FBI could be better than Watson! ?

Georger is right.  Watson needs real data and so do we.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1486 on: February 26, 2017, 12:15:11 AM »
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I have this nightmare that, a few years from now, IBM's Watson will solve this case and I'll have to find something else to obsess about constantly.

Even Watson would need some real data to calculate options with. Im willing to bet Watson wouldn't be be much further along than humans are - humans programed Watson.  :)) Hopefully the FBI could be better than Watson! ?

Georger is right.  Watson needs real data and so do we.

One thing Watson could do is a lot of monotonous searching very quickly.  For example, if the FBI thought LeClair was a real person, it could have narrow down the possibilities pretty quickly based on the little pieces of information offered by Max Gunther.

But, like Georger suggests, there is no data we have that we could ask Watson to grind through.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1487 on: February 26, 2017, 01:01:12 AM »
If nothing else, Watson could dig through those 100,000 particles faster than we can.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1488 on: February 26, 2017, 01:23:25 AM »
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If nothing else, Watson could dig through those 100,000 particles faster than we can.

The FBI already has software for matching that can do that - and Tom uses it. That is where Tom has come up with some of his 'matches'.... for matches and cigarettes and such! :)) 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1489 on: March 09, 2017, 09:07:16 AM »
There was another Dan Cooper series "Test Pilot".. German?

looking to see if this was published in French as well.

Jumping out of the aft "door".. I ordered a copy to see what is inside..



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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1490 on: March 09, 2017, 02:15:57 PM »
Cover illustration shows both a "candy stripe" orange and white C9 surplus canopy and a multi color Pioneer ParaCommander canopy.

Plane is fictional, sort of a hybrid of a DH Comet and a BAC 111. Tip tanks are not found on either though.

Publication date?  Parachute gear is 60s- early 70s. Front mounted reserves with instrument panels.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1491 on: March 09, 2017, 02:35:04 PM »
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There was another Dan Cooper series "Test Pilot".. German?

looking to see if this was published in French as well.

Jumping out of the aft "door".. I ordered a copy to see what is inside..
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To date, nobody has asked: "where would a Latin person have seen the Dan Cooper comic". The whole focus due to Tom Kaye has been on a Canadian suspect.

The FBI files files show the FBI took "Latin in appearance" seriously and directed their investigation in that direction. This is stated over and over in FBI files. Not one mention in FBI files about a 'Canadian' orientation or investigation!
   
"Latin in appearance"

Where was the Cooper comic distributed in Latin America, if at all?
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FLYJACK

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1492 on: March 09, 2017, 02:41:41 PM »
Interesting update, that German "Dan Cooper" comic I posted was printed as part of a German language only series from 1981-83.

I discovered that the story for the German series with the jumpers via the aft/tail door of a passenger jet first appeared in 1970 in a Tintin magazine. BEFORE the hijacking.

I think I have identified and found a copy of that Tintin (Belgian/French) magazine from 1970 and have ordered it. It will be interesting to see if the 1970 original version has any reference or images of parachuting from the aft/tail of the passenger jet or if that was added after the hijacking in the updated German re-release.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1493 on: March 09, 2017, 03:53:43 PM »
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Interesting update, that German "Dan Cooper" comic I posted was printed as part of a German language only series from 1981-83.

I discovered that the story for the German series with the jumpers via the aft/tail door of a passenger jet first appeared in 1970 in a Tintin magazine. BEFORE the hijacking.

I think I have identified and found a copy of that Tintin (Belgian/French) magazine from 1970 and have ordered it. It will be interesting to see if the 1970 original version has any reference or images of parachuting from the aft/tail of the passenger jet or if that was added after the hijacking in the updated German re-release.

I think Snow already found that Dan Cooper was published in Tintin in 1970 BEFORE the hijacking ? See Dropzone. 

parachuting from the aft/tail of the passenger jet may be new ?
 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1494 on: March 09, 2017, 04:18:32 PM »
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Interesting update, that German "Dan Cooper" comic I posted was printed as part of a German language only series from 1981-83.

I discovered that the story for the German series with the jumpers via the aft/tail door of a passenger jet first appeared in 1970 in a Tintin magazine. BEFORE the hijacking.

I think I have identified and found a copy of that Tintin (Belgian/French) magazine from 1970 and have ordered it. It will be interesting to see if the 1970 original version has any reference or images of parachuting from the aft/tail of the passenger jet or if that was added after the hijacking in the updated German re-release.

I think Snow already found that Dan Cooper was published in Tintin in 1970 BEFORE the hijacking ?

The point is finer,

yes, we know the "Dan Cooper" character goes back to the 1950's in Tintin.. a recurring character.

The very common Dan Cooper cover (L'affaire Minos) we see of him parachuting was published in 1974 and again later but no passenger jet with the aft/rear door open. This was problematic as it came out after the hijacking.

What I am specifically looking for is the first publication date of the "Dan Cooper" STORY referencing Dan Cooper jumping from a passenger jet using the aft/rear door..

That appears to be in 1970, and I think the story is spread across 2 issues, another in early 1971.

The cover pic for the RARE German series is amazing as it shows a passenger jet aft/rear open, that particular story first appeared in 1970-71 in Tintin. I have never seen that cover pic before,

Was jumping from the aft/rear depicted in the 1970-71 original version or was it added to the German re-release after the hijacking?

I am going to find out.. sometimes re-releases are tweaked??


I also found out that many Tintin mags were translated to english by outside publishing houses, I haven't found this one yet though.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1495 on: March 09, 2017, 05:46:15 PM »
The original version of the passenger jet story appeared in Tintin 1970-71, then an updated version as a Dan Cooper book in 1975, then redone in German for the 1981-83 series..

The 1975 version used a 747 and depicted Seattle and the space needle... I have all three versions on order so I'll see how they compare..


If you look very carefully you can see the downtown Seattle Penny's where the hijacker bought the tie.. >:D
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1496 on: March 10, 2017, 04:06:50 AM »
Yikes. A German "Dan Cooper?"
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1497 on: March 10, 2017, 11:23:54 AM »
Georger   You say:  "To date, nobody has asked: "where would a Latin person have seen the Dan Cooper comic". The whole focus due to Tom Kaye has been on a Canadian suspect."

I say:  "Sheridan had a very olive skin color (possibly from Greek family background) and he would have seen Dan Cooper comics in Vietnam where he was involved with sports jumping and knew many who would have shared the Dan Cooper comics. He took French in College as he was an English major (they had to study another language too). Tom is just off again thinking a Canadian connection just like he missed the Boeing connection from finding both types of Titanium on the tie but jumping to the conclusion that Boeing would have used just alloyed Titanium.
Now that the FBI has closed the case, they will never look at the DNA evidence under the stamps and envelope flaps of the four letters to the newspapers from DB Cooper. Why did they overlook this evidence that they had? Or did they and they don't want to disclose who DB Cooper really is? A cover-up and why the case was closed when they had just found out the FLAW/lie to the FBI on where he was at the time of Norjak?

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« Reply #1498 on: March 10, 2017, 11:37:33 AM »
Was the Vancouver Sun letter ever tested for DNA??  Where is it now?

I realize it may be a hoax, but it looks like it is written by someone trying to disguise their writing and contextually it is odd that one would write a hoax letter claiming the suspect sketch "does not represent the truth".

 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1499 on: March 10, 2017, 12:07:07 PM »
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Was the Vancouver Sun letter ever tested for DNA??  Where is it now?

I realize it may be a hoax, but it looks like it is written by someone trying to disguise their writing and contextually it is odd that one would write a hoax letter claiming the suspect sketch "does not represent the truth".


On November 30th a letter is sent from Vancouver, BC. This is the 6th day after the hijacking. 

The name D.B. Cooper was a misnomer by the media/press. When the entire population thinks D.B. Cooper hijacked the plane, why wouldn't "Dan Cooper" bring this truthful factoid to the forefront along with the comment about the sketch not representing the truth if the person writing the letter was indeed, the hijacker?

This is strictly my opinion, but a letter signed by Dan Cooper, the name actually used by the hijacker, would hold more credence than a letter signed by the misnomer. 
You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
 
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