So, all of the known drownings, or missing persons have all been found resulting from the Columbia? and it's "astronomical" for a skydiver to drown, especially at night?

Can you tell us how pieces of money were found at different depths, does this suggest a plant?

I'm not stating anything as fact, it's a possibility to look at, or put into consideration.

What part of Gunthers book can be verified, published in 1986?

I realize you have everything figured out, but the problem is that they admit it's possible they looked in the wrong place from the very start, and it's not that odd that a body goes missing in any given area. I have never stated anything as fact. I'm not alone with this "possibility" Cooper died that night, it's very possible, as well with his survival. after all the years of researching this case I still can't come to any conclusion of this.

I wasn't sure about the possibility of a plant until I seen the 1980 video showing pieces found at different depths. this suggest, or proves a plant is out of the question, or as you state makes it "astronomical" it doesn't make sense after seeing it as it happened.

I use the word astronomical to describe the probability of all of the following events all happening.
-of him happening unluckily to land in water, when most of the landing surface was land....the river was only a vertical sliver on his drop area.
-that he was unable to keep himself from drowning
-that despite a vast search of the path that he nor the chute ever found, by govt or civilians, in 45 yrs.
-that despite moving water of a river over 45 years, nothing has been ever dislodged from bottom, or moved to whereby it would be seen, especially yet chute still attached to body.

I slightly digress...the Tena bar find suggests more that he made it, than didn't.  That he stashed it there on the way back to Portland, is more likely than three bundles miraculously float to that spot and stack themselves.

In the end, a suspect has to be put on that plane otherwise it is still a theory and there are probably 1000's of suspects known and unknown that fit good theories.

Theories only get you so far.. the real challenge for a solve is proving a suspect was on that plane.

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...Are you aware that... the initial wind chill factor was about 35 degrees F below zero and stayed about that until he hit the ground as a no-pull...

Can your prove that Robert? You seem to imply that the conditions were very stressful.

I know we've had this argument before, but since so many new sleuths are here, I think it is important to prove your statements.

To wit:
1. We don't know the exact wind chill on the aft stairs since the perturbations of wind around the stairs are not certain. Therefore it is hard to calculate the wind chill for Cooper while on the stairs. However, we do know that it was 22 degrees Fahrenheit at 8:13 pm at 10,000 feet, and that the plane was traveling at approximately 180 mph. But Cooper was not subjected to 180 mph winds due to the protection of the stair case.

2. If he jumped and went into a freefall, we know that for a few seconds Cooper was traveling at 180 mph once he left the stairs, but after about 15 seconds, according to Robb Heady and other skydivers, Cooper's speed through the air column would have approached terminal velocity, approximately 110 mph. So, the effective wind chill was cut nearly in half at this juncture. Then, if his chute was deployed he was traveling through the air column at 1,000 feet per minute, or about 20 mph.

3. But there is ample evidence from CIA training films to speculate that Cooper may have pulled his rip cord while on the aft stairs, suggesting that his movement through the air column was considerable less than 110 mph virtually as soon as the chute inflated and pulled him off the stairs. Afterwards, he would then be traveling at approximately 20 mph under a full canopy.

4. One way or another, Cooper was on the ground in ten minutes, maximum - perhaps much less if he was a no-pull. But, if Cooper was successful, what kinds of physical stress was he subjected to in the ten minutes he spent in the air/wind chill, under the known conditions?

Bruce,

Since this is about the 10th repeat of answers to your "questions", print out these answers and tape them to the wall behind your computer for future reference.  Your paragraph numbers are used below.

1.  There is a formula, as opposed to a chart, on Wikipedia for calculating the wind chill factor.  So take that 22 degrees F and any wind speed you want and calculate your own wind chill factor.  Also, the airliner was flying at about 225 MPH (about 195 Knots True Air Speed) and NOT 180 MPH.  In case you are wondering, the wind chill factor does NOT rise above 22 degrees F if the airliner is flying backwards.

2.  I don't know where "Robb Heady and other skydivers" got the numbers you quote, but Dan Poynter and other skydivers correctly state that the terminal velocity at sea level standard conditions is 120 MPH if in a stable belly-to-earth position and 180+ MPH if in a head down position.  These speeds would be a lot faster at 10,000 feet and you can use the formula cited above to calculate the wind chill factors of interest to you.  Incidentally, 1,000 feet per minute is about 12 MPH and NOT 20 MPH.

3.  See number 2 above.

4.  If Cooper was a no-pull, he would be on the ground in about 40 seconds.  If he was under a canopy, he would be wet and that would contribute to his misery.  He would have to descend below an overcast and several cloud layers to see, if at all possible, the pitch dark terrain below him.  Unless he landed in downtown Portland.   

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I use the word astronomical to describe the probability of all of the following events all happening.
-of him happening unluckily to land in water, when most of the landing surface was land....the river was only a vertical sliver on his drop area.
-that he was unable to keep himself from drowning
-that despite a vast search of the path that he nor the chute ever found, by govt or civilians, in 45 yrs.
-that despite moving water of a river over 45 years, nothing has been ever dislodged from bottom, or moved to whereby it would be seen, especially yet chute still attached to body.

I slightly digress...the Tena bar find suggests more that he made it, than didn't.  That he stashed it there on the way back to Portland, is more likely than three bundles miraculously float to that spot and stack themselves.

In the end, a suspect has to be put on that plane otherwise it is still a theory and there are probably 1000's of suspects known and unknown that fit good theories.

Theories only get you so far.. the real challenge for a solve is proving a suspect was on that plane.

It was billig, and the toves gyred and put in the solve; the borogroves all mimsy, and the mome rathes outgrabe when there was a solve.

evidence shows the probability of a plant is close to zero given the fact of pieces found at different depths.

you don't have a real name even connected to the suspect, it's based on a book? the above are known facts.

I don't think the full story of the tie is complete, and I'm still wondering if transfers can happen to clothing from controlled area's. most, if not all have some sort of protective clothing. even in the manufacturing of CRT's. it's possible we are on the tip of something big, but appear to be jumping sooner than expected.

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...Also, the airliner was flying at about 225 MPH (about 195 Knots True Air Speed) and NOT 180 MPH....

I believe this statement is incorrect. The plane had been flying at about 225mph until the flaps were extended to 30 degrees prior to the jump. After the flaps were extended, the speed decreased to about 180 mph, which is when DBC jumped.

No? Do you have information that would prove otherwise?

way off..this was during the first few minutes of flight. 7:42-7:45 (I believe) plane was slowed down to 160 knots...flaps at 30 degree's, they realized it was burning too much fuel and switched back to 15 minutes later..

The George Harrison notes paint a little different picture...some cases he writes different speeds vs transcripts (5 Knot difference in the minus) he also writes that Cooper is between 50-60 years old....