I think the tie would still be of value, but clip has been taken off so many times by different agents you would have to get there DNA as well...

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If LeClair was still breathing at 8:18 PM PST, November 24, 1971, then he was not Cooper.

Can you please elaborate why you think LeClair couldn't have been Cooper?

Check the "NWA 305 FLIGHT PATH THREAD - REVISITED" thread and read the 9 (or 10?) parts that I posted there.

Or you can wait for the "out takes" from the recent Cooper "Expedition Unknown" TV episode and, if my "out takes" are in there, they will include statements like "the airliner passed Tina Bar along the west side of the Columbia River and within 1000 feet horizontally of where we are standing" and "for the money to get to Tina Bar, Cooper had to be a no-pull who cratered in the very restricted area that we are discussing here", plus other such things.  I apparently didn't waffle enough on some of those comments for them to make the original episode.

Basically, the money at Tina Bar could not have come down the main river stream.  Instead, he had to come from a very small area close to the channel between the east side of Caterpillar Island and the shore.  Cooper could not have landed in that area if he had an open parachute anywhere above about 500 feet.  Ergo, Cooper died as a no-pull, splattered in the small area in question, and within a small number of years the spring flood waters had moved the money (and probably Cooper himself) to Tina Bar.  Some of the money and fragments were left there but everything else went on downstream.

Yeah, so the guy pulls off a great heist, and then somehow cannot manage a parachute jump.   Odds are ultra low, that he died in the fall...The same odds you'd give any paratrooper jumping at night.  Somehow folk like to think Cooper was the dude at everything else, but then was a moron on the way down.  Or he "drowned"...  just ridiculous to think the guy is competent then turns into a frog.... He walked out alive, with no doubt...

The jump was survivable.  Thousands of people have survived jumps made in worse conditions than Cooper was exposed to.  Then again, probably thousands of people have died in jumps made in perfect conditions.  Nevertheless, there is no reason whatsoever for believing that Cooper survived the jump.

In your January 12th 100% endorsement of Max Gunther's book on Amazon.com, you write, "Truth comes in three stages . . first it is ridiculed, then it is vehemently opposed, then it is considered self evident."  Which stage are you in with respect to my post?

You say "there is no reason whatsoever for believing Cooper survived jump".   
I say there is no reason to think he did not surviv...   Body never found, chutes never found, majority of money never found... the odds are astronomical that he perished.   
LeClair is the only true suspect at the moment.
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Are you aware that Cooper jumped into total darkness through an overcast and several cloud layers, that it was raining, the initial wind chill factor was about 35 degrees F below zero and stayed about that until he hit the ground as a no-pull, he had jury-rigged at least one chute/bag/container (maybe more) to his harness and body, and that he would have tumbled uncontrollably throughout the free fall.

Nevertheless, as I have said before, survivable jumps have been made under worse conditions.  In fact, some people have survived falls from high altitude without a parachute.

But there is absolutely no evidence that Cooper survived this jump.

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If LeClair was still breathing at 8:18 PM PST, November 24, 1971, then he was not Cooper.

Can you please elaborate why you think LeClair couldn't have been Cooper?

Check the "NWA 305 FLIGHT PATH THREAD - REVISITED" thread and read the 9 (or 10?) parts that I posted there.

Or you can wait for the "out takes" from the recent Cooper "Expedition Unknown" TV episode and, if my "out takes" are in there, they will include statements like "the airliner passed Tina Bar along the west side of the Columbia River and within 1000 feet horizontally of where we are standing" and "for the money to get to Tina Bar, Cooper had to be a no-pull who cratered in the very restricted area that we are discussing here", plus other such things.  I apparently didn't waffle enough on some of those comments for them to make the original episode.

Basically, the money at Tina Bar could not have come down the main river stream.  Instead, he had to come from a very small area close to the channel between the east side of Caterpillar Island and the shore.  Cooper could not have landed in that area if he had an open parachute anywhere above about 500 feet.  Ergo, Cooper died as a no-pull, splattered in the small area in question, and within a small number of years the spring flood waters had moved the money (and probably Cooper himself) to Tina Bar.  Some of the money and fragments were left there but everything else went on downstream.

Yeah, so the guy pulls off a great heist, and then somehow cannot manage a parachute jump.   Odds are ultra low, that he died in the fall...The same odds you'd give any paratrooper jumping at night.  Somehow folk like to think Cooper was the dude at everything else, but then was a moron on the way down.  Or he "drowned"...  just ridiculous to think the guy is competent then turns into a frog.... He walked out alive, with no doubt...

Criminals are known for doing stupid things. Cooper could of easily had the " I know everything" complex. When people have a suspect in mind it blocks things like this out because it doesn't fit.
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Shutter, the chutes and or body would have been found.    Especially body still connected to the chute.   Unless one wants to believe he landed in river, which are low odds.   And even so, the chute would have snagged a branch or something in water, and not sunk.
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... Unless one wants to believe he landed in river, which are low odds....

I agree. The odds have to be exceedingly low - a lottery event. This is why the flight path and jump time are so crucial. I wish we could date (using a clock) when the Cooper money started being exposed to Columbia River water, and for how long. My guess is that date would not match the day of the hijacking. ? If the money was not in the Columbia on 11/24 then Cooper very likely did not land in the Columbia.   

the way I view this is in a logical form. the plane crossed the river. the money was found downstream from where they believed the plane crossed. the river was dredged, and the material was placed on the crime scene. information given in the past leads one to believe the jump zone is incorrect, or off putting Cooper closer to the river. I don't believe the money tumbled all the way down the river as believed in the past. the lack of evidence could be the whole reason nothing has been found.

It's possible all the way down to Orchids, so we are once again closer to the river. all it takes is a few miscalculations. given the time frame (year 1971) I believe human error is possible.

But there is absolutely no evidence that Cooper survived this jump.

How do you evaluate Andrade's findings that most WWII pilots who had to bail made it successfully to the ground. Thousands of pilots with no experience, under dire circumstances.

...Are you aware that... the initial wind chill factor was about 35 degrees F below zero and stayed about that until he hit the ground as a no-pull...

Can your prove that Robert? You seem to imply that the conditions were very stressful.

I know we've had this argument before, but since so many new sleuths are here, I think it is important to prove your statements.

To wit:
1. We don't know the exact wind chill on the aft stairs since the perturbations of wind around the stairs are not certain. Therefore it is hard to calculate the wind chill for Cooper while on the stairs. However, we do know that it was 22 degrees Fahrenheit at 8:13 pm at 10,000 feet, and that the plane was traveling at approximately 180 mph. But Cooper was not subjected to 180 mph winds due to the protection of the stair case.

2. If he jumped and went into a freefall, we know that for a few seconds Cooper was traveling at 180 mph once he left the stairs, but after about 15 seconds, according to Robb Heady and other skydivers, Cooper's speed through the air column would have approached terminal velocity, approximately 110 mph. So, the effective wind chill was cut nearly in half at this juncture. Then, if his chute was deployed he was traveling through the air column at 1,000 feet per minute, or about 20 mph.

3. But there is ample evidence from CIA training films to speculate that Cooper may have pulled his rip cord while on the aft stairs, suggesting that his movement through the air column was considerable less than 110 mph virtually as soon as the chute inflated and pulled him off the stairs. Afterwards, he would then be traveling at approximately 20 mph under a full canopy.

4. One way or another, Cooper was on the ground in ten minutes, maximum - perhaps much less if he was a no-pull. But, if Cooper was successful, what kinds of physical stress was he subjected to in the ten minutes he spent in the air/wind chill, under the known conditions?

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But there is absolutely no evidence that Cooper survived this jump.

How do you evaluate Andrade's findings that most WWII pilots who had to bail made it successfully to the ground. Thousands of pilots with no experience, under dire circumstances.

The word "most" doesn't mean "all".  As I have pointed out previously, Cooper's jump was survivable.  But for reasons unknown at this time, Cooper did not survive.  I though you were paying attention to the discussions over the past several months about how the money could have gotten to Tina Bar.

What makes you think I haven't been paying attention to this discussion, Robert. Do you think I am not following the conversation simply because I challenge your statements?

Your assertion, "But for reasons unknown at this time, Cooper did not survive," is your personal speculation. I think it should be presented as such.

Note:
1. It is possible that Cooper did not survive - but that should be stated as a possibility, not a certainty.
2. It is possible that Cooper did not survive due to severe wind chill, but again that should be presented as a speculative possibility.