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Offline Bruce A. Smith

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1380 on: January 26, 2017, 03:47:13 AM »
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.... That paradox seems to have escaped Smith and other Sleuths! But Im glad to point it out for them ?  8)  :))

How do you get multiple donors in a small area of a tie clasp? Moreover, all "epithelial cells". (Neck skin cells).

Hmmm. 

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I was told its neck cells.
 

I was told by Larry Carr in 2009 that the skin cells tested were from fingers.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1381 on: January 26, 2017, 08:47:20 AM »
"bismuth chloride" - glitter, used in a coating agent, synonymous with sparkle or sheen,

"bismuth chloride" adds a sparkle to coatings..

Not manmade glitter but a glittering or sparkling agent.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1382 on: January 26, 2017, 12:53:36 PM »
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.... That paradox seems to have escaped Smith and other Sleuths! But Im glad to point it out for them ?  8)  :))

How do you get multiple donors in a small area of a tie clasp? Moreover, all "epithelial cells". (Neck skin cells).

Hmmm. 

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I was told its neck cells.
 

I was told by Larry Carr in 2009 that the skin cells tested were from fingers.

I thought it was you who said these were epithelial skin cells from the neck area? I'll look it up when I get time.

Somebody published that ...

Once again we wont know any more than when this started... its all a game of gotcha.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1383 on: January 26, 2017, 01:09:24 PM »
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I think you have made a mistake, Andrade.

I checked my exact verbiage, and I didn't name names. I called it "glitter" and sent along a link to various pages on Tom's site. Robert inferred "McCrone & FBI" from the link I sent him. I'll clarify when I respond to him.

Kaye probably knows all this, but I was given a list of contacts (which I didn't include here) that perhaps he might be interested in.

And just to clarify, I literally only asked these guys if the bismuth particles would be of "forensic value" that could limit Cooper to a "certain time and place."

I dont think McCrone is in the business of identifying 'glitter' vs 'cabbage' vs 'Hydrogen', but I could be wrong.  :) Glitter is not in the periodic table.  ;)

It's no biggie -

Im still parsing your witnesses statements which are very good - probably one of the best posts in a Cooper forum in years! At least from my point of view. I suddenly felt at home and able-free to function!  ;)


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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1384 on: January 26, 2017, 01:20:22 PM »
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I think you have made a mistake, Andrade.

I checked my exact verbiage, and I didn't name names. I called it "glitter" and sent along a link to various pages on Tom's site. Robert inferred "McCrone & FBI" from the link I sent him. I'll clarify when I respond to him.

Kaye probably knows all this, but I was given a list of contacts (which I didn't include here) that perhaps he might be interested in.

And just to clarify, I literally only asked these guys if the bismuth particles would be of "forensic value" that could limit Cooper to a "certain time and place."

I dont think McCrone is in the business of identifying 'glitter' vs 'cabbage' vs 'Hydrogen', but I could be wrong.  :) Glitter is not in the periodic table.  ;)

It's no biggie -

Im still parsing your witnesses statements which are very good - probably one of the best posts in a Cooper forum in years! At least from my point of view. I suddenly felt at home and able-free to function!  ;)

It isn't ACTUAL glitter, it creates a glitter or sparkle effect..   :o
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1385 on: January 26, 2017, 03:12:49 PM »
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I think you have made a mistake, Andrade.

I checked my exact verbiage, and I didn't name names. I called it "glitter" and sent along a link to various pages on Tom's site. Robert inferred "McCrone & FBI" from the link I sent him. I'll clarify when I respond to him.

Kaye probably knows all this, but I was given a list of contacts (which I didn't include here) that perhaps he might be interested in.

And just to clarify, I literally only asked these guys if the bismuth particles would be of "forensic value" that could limit Cooper to a "certain time and place."

I dont think McCrone is in the business of identifying 'glitter' vs 'cabbage' vs 'Hydrogen', but I could be wrong.  :) Glitter is not in the periodic table.  ;)

It's no biggie -

Im still parsing your witnesses statements which are very good - probably one of the best posts in a Cooper forum in years! At least from my point of view. I suddenly felt at home and able-free to function!  ;)

It isn't ACTUAL glitter, it creates a glitter or sparkle effect..   :o

What is the "it" you are talking about that creates a glitter or sparkle effect?

"Bismuth Chloride - glitter" from Tom's site ? pure Bismuth Oxychloride pigments?

So, if I put pure Bismuth Oxychloride pigments on a camel, the camel would glitter?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1386 on: January 26, 2017, 03:31:46 PM »
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.... That paradox seems to have escaped Smith and other Sleuths! But Im glad to point it out for them ?  8)  :))

How do you get multiple donors in a small area of a tie clasp? Moreover, all "epithelial cells". (Neck skin cells).

Hmmm. 

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I was told its neck cells.
 

I was told by Larry Carr in 2009 that the skin cells tested were from fingers.

Here are your quotes  through time:

Aug 25, 2010, 1:19 AM  quote: "Larry Carr told me that they were using epithelial cells found on the clasp of the tie. I assume that means the sample was from Cooper's neck skin or finger tips." Note this date: Aug 25, 2010

Your statement today 1-26-17: "I was told by Larry Carr in 2009 that the skin cells tested were from fingers."

Jun 2, 2011, 11:38 PM  quote: "BAS: It is my understanding that the DNA samples are from epithelial cells found on the clip. I believe they are finger tip skin cells. I got that from Larry Carr, the case agent a few years back."

So it was you (and only you) who originally stated the epithelial cells from the neck might be involved. You were the one talking to Agent Carr. Whatever Kaye knew, he wasn't saying.

Frankly Mr. Smith it doesn't matter except to you and you seem confused about your own record and who said what when. Then it turns out the actual record from you is contradictory, but certain, again.  O0

Im not going any further with this nonsense. Enjoy your day.
 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1387 on: January 26, 2017, 04:24:15 PM »
Enjoy yours as well, Mr. Georger.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1388 on: January 26, 2017, 08:46:52 PM »
Cooper could have kept his tie on. Video of my friend Michael Wright dressed as DB Cooper jumping from a 727 at the 1992 WFFC.

Michael is also a ham radio operator (K6MFW) and participates in our radio jumps.



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« Reply #1389 on: January 26, 2017, 09:26:19 PM »
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Cooper could have kept his tie on. Video of my friend Michael Wright dressed as DB Cooper jumping from a 727 at the 1992 WFFC.

Michael is also a ham radio operator (K6MFW) and participates in our radio jumps.

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Do you know the exit and pull altitude?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1390 on: January 26, 2017, 09:28:56 PM »
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If LeClair was still breathing at 8:18 PM PST, November 24, 1971, then he was not Cooper.
Can you please elaborate why you think LeClair couldn't have been Cooper?
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Check the "NWA 305 FLIGHT PATH THREAD - REVISITED" thread and read the 9 (or 10?) parts that I posted there.

Or you can wait for the "out takes" from the recent Cooper "Expedition Unknown" TV episode and, if my "out takes" are in there, they will include statements like "the airliner passed Tina Bar along the west side of the Columbia River and within 1000 feet horizontally of where we are standing" and "for the money to get to Tina Bar, Cooper had to be a no-pull who cratered in the very restricted area that we are discussing here", plus other such things.  I apparently didn't waffle enough on some of those comments for them to make the original episode. ;)

Basically, the money at Tina Bar could not have come down the main river stream.  Instead, he had to come from a very small area close to the channel between the east side of Caterpillar Island and the shore.  Cooper could not have landed in that area if he had an open parachute anywhere above about 500 feet.  Ergo, Cooper died as a no-pull, splattered in the small area in question, and within a small number of years the spring flood waters had moved the money (and probably Cooper himself) to Tina Bar.  Some of the money and fragments were left there but everything else went on downstream.
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Yeah, so the guy pulls off a great heist, and then somehow cannot manage a parachute jump.   Odds are ultra low, that he died in the fall...The same odds you'd give any paratrooper jumping at night.  Somehow folk like to think Cooper was the dude at everything else, but then was a moron on the way down.  Or he "drowned"...  just ridiculous to think the guy is competent then turns into a frog.... He walked out alive, with no doubt...
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1391 on: January 26, 2017, 09:43:15 PM »
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Cooper could have kept his tie on. Video of my friend Michael Wright dressed as DB Cooper jumping from a 727 at the 1992 WFFC.

Michael is also a ham radio operator (K6MFW) and participates in our radio jumps.

377

Do you know the exit and pull altitude?

Exit 14,500 ft. Pull approx 3,000 ft.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1392 on: January 26, 2017, 09:48:02 PM »
I was given some more information on shimmer, I was going to attach the files but they are too large. Anyone interested I got a pdf about shimmer in forensics and an overview of the history of shimmer (also a pdf) can PM me. I did attach a list of shimmer substrates I received.
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« Reply #1393 on: January 26, 2017, 09:50:27 PM »
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If LeClair was still breathing at 8:18 PM PST, November 24, 1971, then he was not Cooper.
Can you please elaborate why you think LeClair couldn't have been Cooper?

Check the "NWA 305 FLIGHT PATH THREAD - REVISITED" thread and read the 9 (or 10?) parts that I posted there.

Or you can wait for the "out takes" from the recent Cooper "Expedition Unknown" TV episode and, if my "out takes" are in there, they will include statements like "the airliner passed Tina Bar along the west side of the Columbia River and within 1000 feet horizontally of where we are standing" and "for the money to get to Tina Bar, Cooper had to be a no-pull who cratered in the very restricted area that we are discussing here", plus other such things.  I apparently didn't waffle enough on some of those comments for them to make the original episode. ;)

Basically, the money at Tina Bar could not have come down the main river stream.  Instead, he had to come from a very small area close to the channel between the east side of Caterpillar Island and the shore.  Cooper could not have landed in that area if he had an open parachute anywhere above about 500 feet.  Ergo, Cooper died as a no-pull, splattered in the small area in question, and within a small number of years the spring flood waters had moved the money (and probably Cooper himself) to Tina Bar.  Some of the money and fragments were left there but everything else went on downstream.
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Yeah, so the guy pulls off a great heist, and then somehow cannot manage a parachute jump.   Odds are ultra low, that he died in the fall...The same odds you'd give any paratrooper jumping at night.  Somehow folk like to think Cooper was the dude at everything else, but then was a moron on the way down.  Or he "drowned"...  just ridiculous to think the guy is competent then turns into a frog.... He walked out alive, with no doubt...
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Criminals are known for doing stupid things. Cooper could of easily had the " I know everything" complex. When people have a suspect in mind it blocks things like this out because it doesn't fit.
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« Reply #1394 on: January 26, 2017, 09:59:47 PM »
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Cooper could have kept his tie on. Video of my friend Michael Wright dressed as DB Cooper jumping from a 727 at the 1992 WFFC.

Michael is also a ham radio operator (K6MFW) and participates in our radio jumps.

377

Do you know the exit and pull altitude?

Exit 14,500 ft. Pull approx 3,000 ft.

377

Thanks, the pull to ground time was a bout 35 seconds..
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