I have been looking at ties and clips from the mid sixties and noticed that the Cooper tie clip is unusually high on the tie. All images of clips that I found were worn about one third up from bottom, Cooper's tie clip is closer to one third from the top.

So, maybe there was an occupational reason? or personal preference but it is unique to use the clip that high....

Any ideas, I haven't worn ties for while but never put a clip that high.. people today wear them higher but not common in 1960's

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I have been looking at ties and clips from the mid sixties and noticed that the Cooper tie clip is unusually high on the tie. All images of clips that I found were worn about one third up from bottom, Cooper's tie clip is closer to one third from the top.

So, maybe there was an occupational reason? or personal preference but it is unique to use the clip that high....

Any ideas, I haven't worn ties for while but never put a clip that high.. people today wear them higher but not common in 1960's

The tie clip is probably in the wrong place. That picture is from the History Channel special, so some lackey probably placed the clip wherever he thought it should go for the cameras. Tom Kaye would know for sure, since he talks about how there are imprints from the gator clasp. Pictures of it on his website show the clip lower than the picture you're referencing. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

They are the same location, the angle of the tie makes it look a little different, History Channel never touched the tie, FBI did. The vid shows the back of tie as well and confirms the "high" location. It is definitely above the half way mark.

The tie Clip is still very high, it left an impression in the tie as it was left clipped on. That is the correct location, I have examined many pics. The apparent visual difference is the changes in the angle of the tie in the photograph.

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I have been looking at ties and clips from the mid sixties and noticed that the Cooper tie clip is unusually high on the tie. All images of clips that I found were worn about one third up from bottom, Cooper's tie clip is closer to one third from the top.

So, maybe there was an occupational reason? or personal preference but it is unique to use the clip that high....

Any ideas, I haven't worn ties for while but never put a clip that high.. people today wear them higher but not common in 1960's

The tie clip is probably in the wrong place. That picture is from the History Channel special, so some lackey probably placed the clip wherever he thought it should go for the cameras. Tom Kaye would know for sure, since he talks about how there are imprints from the gator clasp. Pictures of it on his website show the clip lower than the picture you're referencing. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

They are the same location, the angle of the tie makes it look a little different, History Channel never touched the tie, FBI did. The vid shows the back of tie as well and confirms the "high" location. It is definitely above the half way mark.

The tie Clip is still very high, it left an impression in the tie as it was left clipped on. That is the correct location, I have examined many pics. The apparent visual difference is the changes in the angle of the tie in the photograph.

The clip position may be nothing but personal preference. Is it based on something? People working around machinery generally used to tuck their ties inside their shorts? And some military dress codes require that.

True, it may be personal preference, occupational or even a regional norm.. after checking hundreds of images of ties and tie clips in the mid/late sixties, everyone wore the clip much lower.. A high tie clip in the sixties is unique.

If it is personal preference then they would likely always wear the clip high.. Ex.. I have a POI in a much later pic wearing a high clip.

If it is occupational, are there any occupations that may require a high clip. Bus driver, gas jockey, security guard, Boeing worker etc..

Maybe it is a regional or class thing?

It may mean nothing, but it might click with somebody..

I figured out an occupation that would require a high tie clip placement,

Was there any information on the particle location on the tie, were they evenly dispersed or higher concentrations at a specific level on the tie..

for example, if the very bottom of tie had no or few particles that suggests it was tucked in..

The fact that he chucked the tie and left it in plane, makes me believe more that he was Dan LeClair, who picked it up locally in Portland along with his suit and attache'.  Think about it, if it were a white collar guy he would need the tie to wear on Monday.   Psychologically speaking he ditched both the tie and threw the attache' out of the plane...
Dan LeClair, is Cooper, folks. 

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The fact that he chucked the tie and left it in plane, makes me believe more that he was Dan LeClair, who picked it up locally in Portland along with his suit and attache'.  Think about it, if it were a white collar guy he would need the tie to wear on Monday.   Psychologically speaking he ditched both the tie and threw the attache' out of the plane...
Dan LeClair, is Cooper, folks.

If LeClair was still breathing at 8:18 PM PST, November 24, 1971, then he was not Cooper.

OUCH,, fact is there are 1000+ suspects that can one can make a strong circumstantial case for and the only way to solve is put "your" suspect on that plane.. that means DNA or fingerprints.. and unless the FBI allows further testing or comps this thing never gets solved.

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The fact that he chucked the tie and left it in plane, makes me believe more that he was Dan LeClair, who picked it up locally in Portland along with his suit and attache'.  Think about it, if it were a white collar guy he would need the tie to wear on Monday.   Psychologically speaking he ditched both the tie and threw the attache' out of the plane...
Dan LeClair, is Cooper, folks.

If LeClair was still breathing at 8:18 PM PST, November 24, 1971, then he was not Cooper.

OUCH,, fact is there are 1000+ suspects that can one can make a strong circumstantial case for and the only way to solve is put "your" suspect on that plane.. that means DNA or fingerprints.. and unless the FBI allows further testing or comps this thing never gets solved.

Assuming that the FBI has a partial DNA profile or fingerprints of Cooper, they are not going to match anyone who was still breathing after the time quoted above.  We need some bones for DNA testing.

That is one of the reasons they did the excavation at Tina Bar - looking for bones ie. Cooper himself. The logic was 'where the money is Cooper should be too' according to Tina's last report that Cooper was tying the bag around himself. No bones or other biologicals were evidently found, according to reports? Maybe Gray has more on this in his secret files ?  But I doubt it.  Very likely what Gray is holding unreleased is just 'more of the same' Maybe one passenger caught a glimpse of a Marylin Monroe photo glued to the inside lid of Cooper's brief case?

From a scientific point of view, it make sense that the tie or clasp would yield skin cell (dna, mtdna) due to the high rate at which skin cells are shed (from the neck area) during any given day. We are told it took multiple tests and the results were all partials ... of multiple donors? Does that mean more than one person wore this tie over time? Multiple donors got 'epithelial skin cells' in the small area of the tie clasp somehow! That paradox seems to have escaped Smith and other Sleuths! But Im glad to point it out for them ?   

How do you get multiple donors in a small area of a tie clasp? Moreover, all "epithelial cells". (Neck skin cells).

Hmmm. 

Multiple donors = multiple wearers/users?   
 

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The fact that he chucked the tie and left it in plane, makes me believe more that he was Dan LeClair, who picked it up locally in Portland along with his suit and attache'.  Think about it, if it were a white collar guy he would need the tie to wear on Monday.   Psychologically speaking he ditched both the tie and threw the attache' out of the plane...
Dan LeClair, is Cooper, folks.

If LeClair was still breathing at 8:18 PM PST, November 24, 1971, then he was not Cooper.

OUCH,, fact is there are 1000+ suspects that can one can make a strong circumstantial case for and the only way to solve is put "your" suspect on that plane.. that means DNA or fingerprints.. and unless the FBI allows further testing or comps this thing never gets solved.

Assuming that the FBI has a partial DNA profile or fingerprints of Cooper, they are not going to match anyone who was still breathing after the time quoted above.  We need some bones for DNA testing.

That is one of the reasons they did the excavation at Tina Bar - looking for bones ie. Cooper himself. The logic was 'where the money is Cooper should be too' according to Tina's last report that Cooper was tying the bag around himself. No bones or other biologicals were evidently found, according to reports? Maybe Gray has more on this in his secret files ?  But I doubt it.  Very likely what Gray is holding unreleased is just 'more of the same' Maybe one passenger caught a glimpse of a Marylin Monroe photo glued to the inside lid of Cooper's brief case?

From a scientific point of view, it make sense that the tie or clasp would yield skin cell (dna, mtdna) due to the high rate at which skin cells are shed (from the neck area) during any given day. We are told it took multiple tests and the results were all partials ... of multiple donors? Does that mean more than one person wore this tie over time? Multiple donors got 'epithelial skin cells' in the small area of the tie clasp somehow! That paradox seems to have escaped Smith and other Sleuths! But Im glad to point it out for them ?   

How do you get multiple donors in a small area of a tie clasp? Moreover, all "epithelial cells". (Neck skin cells).

Hmmm. 

Multiple donors = multiple wearers/users?   

Grays docs says they took fingerprints and "epithelial cells" are on hands, so in 1971 pre DNA the tie clip is likely handled by many investigators. One of those partials is likely the hijacker..