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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1230 on: November 07, 2016, 06:01:31 PM »
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Not exactly, Georger. The crew debriefing in Reno clearly states that the departure of the passengers/procurement of the money and chutes went as follows:

1. Tina leaves plane to get money. Returns to rear of aircraft with money.
2. Passengers depart.
3. Flo and Alice follow.
4. Tina makes three more trips off the plane to get the chutes.

I agree that in the process of the above the cockpit crew decided to stay with Tina, and did so, obviously.

Bruce,

Flo disagrees with you on the above sequence as related to numbers 3 and 4.  Flo's states in the FBI's 302 form for her, that Tina made "several" more trips after the passengers left to pick up the parachutes.  While Tina made those trips to get the parachutes, Flo and Alice talked to the hijacker.  After the parachutes were aboard, Cooper told Flo and Alice they could also leave.  Tina was on the phone to the cockpit the last they saw of her as they left.

This means that there were always one or more stewardesses with Cooper. 
 

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« Reply #1231 on: November 07, 2016, 06:21:42 PM »
I agree with R99, but in addition, Tina was supposed to leave as well.  In fact, in her interview in PA, she states "that she was taking information for the hijacker from the pilot, and she told the other stewardesses to go ahead and she would be with them in a second.  They went forward to the cockpit."  When Cooper found out that the aft air stairs would need to be lowered after takeoff, he had Tina stay.

The timing is not explicit, but I believe that after Flo and Alice go forward, Flo remembers that she left her pocketbook in the aft section of the 727 and returns to get it.  She asks Cooper if she can retrieve her pocketbook, and Cooper says something like, "Go ahead, I don't bite".
 

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« Reply #1232 on: November 07, 2016, 07:57:06 PM »
I defer to these latter sequences. They seem plausible and fill all the missing spots.
 

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« Reply #1233 on: November 07, 2016, 09:43:53 PM »
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Titanium

Ever since the History Channel docu, I get at least one phone call or email a week from newbies - armchair sleuths who are absolutely committed to the Hunt for DB Cooper. Bill Rollins is one of them and he is posting here farily regularly.

Another one is a fellow named Travis, and he is HOT on the trail of titanium. He is investigating Oremet vigorously and has a suspect that he is pursuing, who is still alive, apparently. Travis has done a LOT of research on titanium and its processing activity in the 1971 period, and I've encouraged him to post his findings here. He says he's a bit leery of joining the fray, as we are a little too rough. Ahem...

But here is some of the information that Travis has shared with me:

1. Oremet, located in Albany, OR, was one of five titanium processing facilities in Oregon in 1971. The others are Wah Chang, REM, Zirtech, and TiLine. All had business dealing with Boeing, the SST, NASA, and the USG. They all had involvement in top-secret projects.

2. In addition, titanium was also used in two facilities in Ohio: RMI and Titanium MetalCorp of America. The latter had a sub-division called Timet, which was located in Henderson, Nevada.

3. The Bureau of Mines had a titanium research plant in Boulder City, Nevada.

4. Travis says that there was a close relationship between Albany, Henderson, and Ohio.

I haven't followed-up on any of this to check whether any of this is true, but I figured I share it with y'all. I applaud Travis for the work he is doing, and hope he will join us here eventually. I have also encouraged him to read all of the usual sources of info (GG, Calame and Rhodes, me, Sluggo, et. al.), as he has a narrow view of the case because if his limited exposure to all of the information and conflicting data.

Good for Travis. In my opinion, this is the most important area to explore, but for some reason it's largely ignored.
 

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« Reply #1234 on: November 08, 2016, 12:44:18 AM »
I concur, Parrot.
 

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« Reply #1235 on: November 08, 2016, 10:13:34 AM »
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I agree with R99, but in addition, Tina was supposed to leave as well.  In fact, in her interview in PA, she states "that she was taking information for the hijacker from the pilot, and she told the other stewardesses to go ahead and she would be with them in a second.  They went forward to the cockpit."  When Cooper found out that the aft air stairs would need to be lowered after takeoff, he had Tina stay.

The timing is not explicit, but I believe that after Flo and Alice go forward, Flo remembers that she left her pocketbook in the aft section of the 727 and returns to get it.  She asks Cooper if she can retrieve her pocketbook, and Cooper says something like, "Go ahead, I don't bite".

It was Alice Hancock that went back to get her purse.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1236 on: November 08, 2016, 11:51:24 AM »
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I agree with R99, but in addition, Tina was supposed to leave as well.  In fact, in her interview in PA, she states "that she was taking information for the hijacker from the pilot, and she told the other stewardesses to go ahead and she would be with them in a second.  They went forward to the cockpit."  When Cooper found out that the aft air stairs would need to be lowered after takeoff, he had Tina stay.

The timing is not explicit, but I believe that after Flo and Alice go forward, Flo remembers that she left her pocketbook in the aft section of the 727 and returns to get it.  She asks Cooper if she can retrieve her pocketbook, and Cooper says something like, "Go ahead, I don't bite".

It was Alice Hancock that went back to get her purse.

Check page 25 of Flo's interview.  You will find it was her that went back to get her purse.  Remember, Alice was working First Class at the front of the plane, while Flo was seated at the very rear of the plane handling the aft section of Tourist Class.

 

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« Reply #1237 on: November 08, 2016, 12:38:21 PM »
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I agree with R99, but in addition, Tina was supposed to leave as well.  In fact, in her interview in PA, she states "that she was taking information for the hijacker from the pilot, and she told the other stewardesses to go ahead and she would be with them in a second.  They went forward to the cockpit."  When Cooper found out that the aft air stairs would need to be lowered after takeoff, he had Tina stay.

The timing is not explicit, but I believe that after Flo and Alice go forward, Flo remembers that she left her pocketbook in the aft section of the 727 and returns to get it.  She asks Cooper if she can retrieve her pocketbook, and Cooper says something like, "Go ahead, I don't bite".

It was Alice Hancock that went back to get her purse.

Check page 25 of Flo's interview.  You will find it was her that went back to get her purse.  Remember, Alice was working First Class at the front of the plane, while Flo was seated at the very rear of the plane handling the aft section of Tourist Class.

Could you post a link to the interview? I manage rental property and one of my residents is a long time friend of Alice. She made the comment to my residents that she only had one contact with Cooper. That is when she went to the rear of the plane and asked Cooper if she could get her purse.
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« Reply #1238 on: November 08, 2016, 04:31:29 PM »
Alice or Flo? Both have been cited as the woman who went back for her purse. The preponderance of evidence says Alice.
 

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« Reply #1239 on: November 08, 2016, 04:33:56 PM »
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Alice or Flo? Both have been cited as the woman who went back for her purse. The preponderance of evidence says Alice.

Are you asking me or Bill Rollins?

I would like to see a link to the interview that he references in his post.
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« Reply #1240 on: November 08, 2016, 04:35:49 PM »
As usual, I'm not asking anyone for anything - just stating my opinion! (smile). I'll go dig up some references on the subject of purses...
 

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« Reply #1241 on: November 08, 2016, 04:59:00 PM »
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I agree with R99, but in addition, Tina was supposed to leave as well.  In fact, in her interview in PA, she states "that she was taking information for the hijacker from the pilot, and she told the other stewardesses to go ahead and she would be with them in a second.  They went forward to the cockpit."  When Cooper found out that the aft air stairs would need to be lowered after takeoff, he had Tina stay.

The timing is not explicit, but I believe that after Flo and Alice go forward, Flo remembers that she left her pocketbook in the aft section of the 727 and returns to get it.  She asks Cooper if she can retrieve her pocketbook, and Cooper says something like, "Go ahead, I don't bite".

It was Alice Hancock that went back to get her purse.

Check page 25 of Flo's interview.  You will find it was her that went back to get her purse.  Remember, Alice was working First Class at the front of the plane, while Flo was seated at the very rear of the plane handling the aft section of Tourist Class.

Could you post a link to the interview? I manage rental property and one of my residents is a long time friend of Alice. She made the comment to my residents that she only had one contact with Cooper. That is when she went to the rear of the plane and asked Cooper if she could get her purse.

There does not seem to be an FBI Form 302 for Alice in the FBI files.  Presumably, it would go in pages 27 thru 36, inclusive, which are missing.  But it is very likely that all three stewardesses kept their purses in the rear of the airplane near the interphone and galley.  One of the stews was usually in that area most of the time.
 

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« Reply #1242 on: November 08, 2016, 05:24:46 PM »
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I agree with R99, but in addition, Tina was supposed to leave as well.  In fact, in her interview in PA, she states "that she was taking information for the hijacker from the pilot, and she told the other stewardesses to go ahead and she would be with them in a second.  They went forward to the cockpit."  When Cooper found out that the aft air stairs would need to be lowered after takeoff, he had Tina stay.

The timing is not explicit, but I believe that after Flo and Alice go forward, Flo remembers that she left her pocketbook in the aft section of the 727 and returns to get it.  She asks Cooper if she can retrieve her pocketbook, and Cooper says something like, "Go ahead, I don't bite".

It was Alice Hancock that went back to get her purse.

Check page 25 of Flo's interview.  You will find it was her that went back to get her purse.  Remember, Alice was working First Class at the front of the plane, while Flo was seated at the very rear of the plane handling the aft section of Tourist Class.

Could you post a link to the interview? I manage rental property and one of my residents is a long time friend of Alice. She made the comment to my residents that she only had one contact with Cooper. That is when she went to the rear of the plane and asked Cooper if she could get her purse.

There does not seem to be an FBI Form 302 for Alice in the FBI files.  Presumably, it would go in pages 27 thru 36, inclusive, which are missing.  But it is very likely that all three stewardesses kept their purses in the rear of the airplane near the interphone and galley.  One of the stews was usually in that area most of the time.

Thank you R99. I get what you are saying, but I still question Bill Rollins. He is quoting from an interview that is not available  to the public? If it is available, where is the link or copy of the interview so we can read it?
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« Reply #1243 on: November 08, 2016, 05:31:28 PM »
Hmmmm. I was just re-reading the crew debriefs from Reno, and it suggests that Flo was the stewardess who came back to Cooper and retrieved her purse. The debriefs notes are a little tricky to read since they have the proper names redacted. It's a little like reading tea-leaves, or remote viewing....

Addendum: GG indicates that both Flo and Alice came back to retrieve their purses at the same time. More hmmm.

Addendum II: Tosaw says that Flo and Alice left together, with no mention of their purses.
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« Reply #1244 on: November 08, 2016, 06:52:30 PM »
Sorry, but I've been busy this afternoon.

The interview with both Flo and Alice is in the DB Cooper Vault.  Click on Released Flies, go down to the PDF files.  It is file #6.

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For some reason, both the Flo and Alice interviews are together on this file, with Flo first followed by Alice.

Again, see page 25, near the lower part of the page, prior to the physical description.