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Offline George21226

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1200 on: October 11, 2016, 11:46:21 AM »
Has there been any research, witnesses regarding DBC arriving at the airport.  Cab, bus, drop off, drove and parked.  Ticket counter witnesses, gate agent?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1201 on: October 11, 2016, 03:40:36 PM »
PDX, transportation, and the surrounding establishments were a major focal point of FBI attention immediately following the skyjacking. No relevant details on Cooper were forthcoming, we have been told.

That was one reason the immediate ground searches in the LZs were out-sourced to the County Sheriffs.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1202 on: October 16, 2016, 08:01:44 AM »
Does anyone know what color the parachutes were? Multi-color, white or army green?  We're they all the same?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1203 on: October 16, 2016, 05:05:25 PM »
Whom do you want to believe?

Hayden: Both back chutes were white. I saw one of them and it was white.

Cossey: I'm not sure what Coss had claimed.

FBI parachute docs: Both back chutes were white

Front chutes: I'm not sure.

Amboy chute: pinkish
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1204 on: October 17, 2016, 10:04:15 AM »
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Whom do you want to believe?

Hayden: Both back chutes were white. I saw one of them and it was white.

Cossey: I'm not sure what Coss had claimed.

FBI parachute docs: Both back chutes were white
Do you think the FBI marked the chutes in some way and nor released that info so they can positively identify at a later date?

Front chutes: I'm not sure.

Amboy chute: pinkish
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1205 on: October 17, 2016, 10:09:42 AM »
Do you think the FBI marked the chutes in some way and didn't release that info so they can positively identify them if found?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1206 on: October 17, 2016, 12:29:39 PM »
Doubtful.

Would likely have to open the rigs to mark the canopies and then you'd need a rigger or knowledgeable parachutist to repack them. The FBI was in a rush and I don't think they had a rigger readily at hand.

McCoys delivered chutes (which he didn't use) were unpacked and 242.0 MHz military locator beacons were hidden in the packed rigs. Master Rigger Perry Steven of Oakland did that work (Perry taught me how to jump in 1968).

Cossey (or whoever packed the rigs) may have logged the S/N's (canopies have unique serial numbers) when he inspected and packed the rigs. My rigger logs SNs, dont know if it is a legal requirement.

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« Reply #1207 on: October 17, 2016, 01:19:20 PM »
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Doubtful.

Would likely have to open the rigs to mark the canopies and then you'd need a rigger or knowledgeable parachutist to repack them. The FBI was in a rush and I don't think they had a rigger readily at hand.

McCoys delivered chutes (which he didn't use) were unpacked and 242.0 MHz military locator beacons were hidden in the packed rigs. Master Rigger Perry Steven of Oakland did that work (Perry taught me how to jump in 1968).

Cossey (or wherever packed the rigs) may have logged the S/N's (canopies have unique serial numbers) when he inspected and packed the rigs. My rigger logs SNs, dont know if it is a legal requirement.

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That should be 243.0 MHZ above.  Actually, it was probably 121.5/243.0 MHZ, or both the VHF and UHF emergency frequencies.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1208 on: October 17, 2016, 01:26:39 PM »
Right, 243, my 242 was a typo.

I have tested several mil surplus bailout beacons (into a dummy load inside an RF shielded enclosure). Surprisingly the fundamental freq is 243.0 with no emission at 121.5.

The civilian beacons have a fundamental on 121.5 and, with no first harmonic output filtering, they put out a strong signal on 243.0.

Quite a few Mil aircraft in the 70s had UHF ADF capability (e.g. ARA 25 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login) and could get bearings on 243.o MHZ. With the exception of certain SAR and ELINT aircraft, they had no DF capability on 121.5.

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« Reply #1209 on: October 19, 2016, 03:16:17 AM »
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Bill never gave any indication that the 5,000 foot level was anywhere near the dropzone. it's much further south where they run into this problem..


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Has there been any research, witnesses regarding DBC arriving at the airport.  Cab, bus, drop off, drove and parked.  Ticket counter witnesses, gate agent?

I have thought about this time and time again and I've wondered why no one in transportation not recalling seeing DBC arriving at the airport.  As a matter of fact, it's the one thing that took me over the top to finally committing to a theory of how it all happened.  More on that later.  Not knowing how mystery man suddenly got there has always intrigued me.  Makes you wonder if he was already in the airport and merely came in from another flight, or he was brought in incognito, the normal-looking Chevy van he was in parked strategically close to the front door behind some blind spot -- out of surveillance camera view.  When the coast was clear, Cooper quietly slipped out of the back of the van and casually entered the terminal, unnoticed.  This implies, of course, that Cooper had an accomplice which, in my opinion, is the only conceivable way he could have entered the terminal, unnoticed.  He had to have had some help, there is no other explanation, in my mind's eye.

While I'm here, I am intrigued by another thing.  Rad said in the "DB Cooper: Case Closed?" episode that when Tina made her last trip outside to retrieve the last of the money and parachutes, had Alice and Flo gone with her, the only way Cooper would have been able to see the rest of the crew leave was if he had gotten down on the floor and looked under the curtain in first class toward the door to the cockpit.  Really?  It would have been over, just like that, if the crew had made a mad dash at the right moment?  Big question:  Why didn't they?  If they did, we wouldn't be here talking about it 45 years later.  I don't know about you, but if I was in a situation like that, I would have been constantly on the lookout for the first opportunity to make the great escape.  But they didn't.  Why not?  That is perplexing and intriguing to me ....   

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1210 on: October 19, 2016, 03:40:19 AM »
This apparent moment of indecision and passivity might be the flip side of NWO tightly controlling their crew for the purpose of presenting the most favorable narrative of what was unfolding aboard 305.

Consider this: If NWO was telling their crews what to say and re-shaping the hijacking story for an optimal public presentation, ie: we moved the passengers forward for their safety early in the hijacking when in reality that only happened upon landing; avoiding any discussion of the drunk passenger in Row 10 that needed a serious intervention; allowing the passenger to roam the cabin area freely throughout the hijacking and letting them talk to Cooper; or ignoring the whole scene with the FBI agent who boarded the plane with the money bag and may have been ready for an armed confrontation - if NWO was instructing the crew to tell LOTS of little White Lies to protect the company image AND the crew knew that the stated company intention was to give the hijacker what he wanted, then maybe the crews were conditioned not to think on their own or initiate any independent behavior, such as an escape that might provoke the hijacker.

Imagine for a moment that all the flight attendants escaped the plane, leaving Cooper alone with the cockpit crew - or even imagine all of the crew leaving - what if Cooper then blew up the plane? Who here would want to face Donald Nyrop the next morning, eh?

For those who would like to imagine their Flight 305 crew as a group of bold and fearless bearers of impeccability - remember these are the same people who still can't remember where they were at 8:13 pm. 44 years to remember and it gets nothing but hazier and hazier. Just sayin'...
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1211 on: October 19, 2016, 09:49:40 AM »
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While I'm here, I am intrigued by another thing.  Rad said in the "DB Cooper: Case Closed?" episode that when Tina made her last trip outside to retrieve the last of the money and parachutes, had Alice and Flo gone with her, the only way Cooper would have been able to see the rest of the crew leave was if he had gotten down on the floor and looked under the curtain in first class toward the door to the cockpit.  Really?  It would have been over, just like that, if the crew had made a mad dash at the right moment?  Big question:  Why didn't they?  If they did, we wouldn't be here talking about it 45 years later.  I don't know about you, but if I was in a situation like that, I would have been constantly on the lookout for the first opportunity to make the great escape.  But they didn't.  Why not?  That is perplexing and intriguing to me ....   

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This is one thing that puzzled me.  Rataczak did say in the History Channel show that if the flight attendants had followed Tina out on the last trip, they could have left Cooper alone on the plane.  When did he let the passengers leave?  I didn't think it was until AFTER Tina had brought the last items on board.  If so, there would have been no way to sneak the other flight attendants off and leave Cooper alone.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1212 on: October 19, 2016, 04:47:58 PM »
There is disagreement among various authors on the timing of the passenger release. The general consensus that I have found goes like this:

1. Tina brings money on board.
2. Passengers leave
3. Tina makes three trips to bring parachutes on board.

Tina has often said that she left the plane to retrieve the money bag, or others say that she did, such as GG. But that is refuted by the passengers, who say two men entered the plane and brought the money bag with them, and Tina only retrieved it from them at the forward doorway area and brought it back to Cooper.

Tosaw and a few writers have claimed that the passengers left after chutes were aboard, but I don't believe that is accurate.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1213 on: October 19, 2016, 04:50:56 PM »
I have a few related questions of my own:

1.When exactly did Alice and Flo leave? With the passengers, or shortly thereafter?

2. Did they ride the bus to the terminal with the passengers?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1214 on: October 19, 2016, 06:21:41 PM »
Just finished Colbert's book about Rackstraw. Its a very good read even if you disagree with the conclusion. Rackstraw's age is the main no go for me. Many other things make him a very good DBC, including a physical resemblance, explosives training, pilot experience, HALO experience, a huge grudge, prior aircraft crime history, etc.

The book is well written, well researched (even has substantive footnotes) and does not accept any of Rackstraws BS about his military accomplishments. Even when all the boasts and lies are pierced (through careful research), you are left with a guy who still had major skills and achievements. Did he have the skills and knowledge to pull off Norjack? No doubt about that, he sure did.

For a so-called Master Criminal he got caught a lot, but Rackstraw was a lot smarter than your average felon. The depth and intensity of his sociopathy made a deep impression on those who dealt with him in the criminal justice system. He was not your average defendant. His criminal flame burned very brightly. He has been accused of con jobs, theft, murder (acquitted), stealing military explosives and much more. This guy Rackstraw was a one man crime tornado.

Could the witnesses have been THAT wrong about DBC's age so as to make Rackstraw a viable suspect? I doubt it but I cannot rule it out.

Could Tina have suffered enough memory loss so as to be unable to ID Cooper's photo if she saw it today? Again doubtful, but I can't rule it out. She seemed very competent in the History Channel interview but several FBI SA's commented long ago about her memory of the skyjack details being impaired.

Is Colbert's book worth buying? Yes. I recommend the book. Its a worthy addition to any Cooper library.

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