Hi Bruce- to answer your question - 'what's my real question' (concerning the money being spent) My aim was to confirm that IF the money was never spent, then it narrows the situation to 3 scenarios.

1. Cooper died in the jump. (or died in the wilderness)

2. Cooper survived the jump, but got separated from the money.

3. Cooper survived the jump, but couldn't or wouldn't spend the money. (couldn't spend the money as in something happened to him immediately following the hijack, or wouldn't spend the money as in he did it for other reasons, or it was a military/CIA/?? mission)

Forgive me for being stupid, but I still don't think it's possible to launder the money in the most clever of ways and the bills NOT end up in the Fed's shredder at some point. All US currency that goes abroad and through other banking systems still end up back in our country. (correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I've read) And the black market will still have money changing hands and going back into circulation. (again, feel free to point out my ignorance here...)

Okay, brown paper bag not big enough for boots, thanks! (if there even was a brown paper bag) Maybe DB didn't like airline food and brought his own lunch. Okay, trying to inject some humor here, bare with me.

I'm not sure why I thought DB put on his shades later in the flight, I'll see if I come across that again.

As for the bomb I've always thought it was probably a fake, but have zero reasons behind this hunch. Maybe basing it on McCoy's hijacking (fake grenade, unloaded gun) By the way (Bruce) I started to research another copycat hijacking, namely Robb Heady and came across your very well written article on him. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login Great read, great info (and touching).  I'm really keeping an open mind about EVERYTHING in the case until I can say for certain. (I know, nothing's for certain in Cooperville...)

Very good point about the tied money bag possibly being a floating aid, and not a hindrance.

And here's a new question. The 1980 Mount St Helen's eruption. Is it possible that any remaining Cooper evidence got covered and buried for good?

Hi Bruce- to answer your question - 'what's my real question' (concerning the money being spent) My aim was to confirm that IF the money was never spent, then it narrows the situation to 3 scenarios.

1. Cooper died in the jump. (or died in the wilderness)

2. Cooper survived the jump, but got separated from the money.

3. Cooper survived the jump, but couldn't or wouldn't spend the money. (couldn't spend the money as in something happened to him immediately following the hijack, or wouldn't spend the money as in he did it for other reasons, or it was a military/CIA/?? mission)

Forgive me for being stupid, but I still don't think it's possible to launder the money in the most clever of ways and the bills NOT end up in the Fed's shredder at some point. All US currency that goes abroad and through other banking systems still end up back in our country. (correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I've read) And the black market will still have money changing hands and going back into circulation. (again, feel free to point out my ignorance here...)

Okay, brown paper bag not big enough for boots, thanks! (if there even was a brown paper bag) Maybe DB didn't like airline food and brought his own lunch. Okay, trying to inject some humor here, bare with me.

I'm not sure why I thought DB put on his shades later in the flight, I'll see if I come across that again.

As for the bomb I've always thought it was probably a fake, but have zero reasons behind this hunch. Maybe basing it on McCoy's hijacking (fake grenade, unloaded gun) By the way (Bruce) I started to research another copycat hijacking, namely Robb Heady and came across your very well written article on him. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login Great read, great info (and touching).  I'm really keeping an open mind about EVERYTHING in the case until I can say for certain. (I know, nothing's for certain in Cooperville...)

Very good point about the tied money bag possibly being a floating aid, and not a hindrance.

And here's a new question. The 1980 Mount St Helen's eruption. Is it possible that any remaining Cooper evidence got covered and buried for good?

1980 Mount St Helen's eruption - fully discussed at DZ - suggest you read the thread before progressing to Chapter 057-94 on this. 

Bruce, I didn't say that I thought the bomb was fake, but rather that I think that most people feel that the bomb was fake.

Gotcha, P-Vol. But your comments lead to the next question: what does a real bomb look like? There's a related second question: what would a Norjak bomb have to look like to convince all the doubters that it was real?

Once again, this puts us in the area of Cultural Goggles: We only see what we want to see. So, I doubt that the number of wires, switches, batteries or colors of the dynamite wrap will dissuade many. Even a GSA label, or US Army Ordnance - Aberdeen Proving Grounds sticker won't do it.

Lots of folks want DBC to be a dumb bunny and dead, which is why most feel that the bomb was fake. That's the way they like their true crime mysteries.

Fake Bombs

One notorious skyjack - Western 701 jacked to Algiers in June 1972, had two odd occurrences. First it took off from San Francisco International as Robb Heady's jack was coming in from Reno.

The second dynamic was that the pair who stole Western 701 used a fake bomb. The hijacker was a former demo guy from the Army in 'Nam and made a good one - very elaborate. He used specs from his manuals and did it right. He just didn't have the C-4, or whatever, so he used a facimile. The cockpit crew were no dummies, either, and they had plenty of military chops. They inspected the rig and thought it was probably real, so they radioed their bosses that the jack should be treated seriously. It was, including having to collude with the skyjackers against the FBI so that the feds' effort to storm the plane was thwarted. Western wanted their plane back in one piece. FBI didn't give a shit.

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What Georger is trying to say is that, YES, there is plenty of possibly that the 1980 dust from MSH covered a bunch of whatever was left to cover nine years after initial distribution of the moolah across the PNW wilderness in 1971.

But of course, we pontificators won't you off THAT easy. The initial MSH blast went out sideways from the mountain towards the northeast. Prevailing winds from the southwest also carried most of the dust thataways, too. Hello, Spokane - here's your free, dusty fertilizer!

But lots dropped down in the local area, too.

The more pertinent question is: what was lying around from Norjak that could still get buried by MSH dust? For me, one of the salient issues of the DB Cooper case is that not one single twenty has been reported found in the woods. I find that remarkable, especially since we know some of it separated from DBC at some point, ie: T-Bar.

I think what Georger is trying to say is something like this:  The ash fallout from Mount St. Helens was rather small, maybe less than an inch, at Tina Bar.  However, most of the ash moved to the northeast and fell over the Columbia River watershed. 

I have relatives who live near the Columbia River and about 200 miles upstream from Tina Bar.  They said at that time that they had approximately five inches of ash on the roof of their house.

The bad news is that the ash in the Columbia River damaged some of the power turbines in the dams on the river, including the Bonneville Dam just east of Portland, and it also collected in the shipping channel.  Shipping had to be stopped, or at least restricted, between Portland and the Pacific while the shipping channel was dredged to remove the ash.

But again, the ash fallout at Tina Bar was quite small.

... and the eruption happened 'after' the money was found at Tina Bar in February.

Titanium, et al, on tie - New Theories

Dr. William Cover has sent me several emails concerning the titanium found on the tie. Today, he sent a very interesting summary that I think will pique your interest. Here is Dr. Cover's commentary:


Dear Bruce:

Has this line of reasoning been explored? More details below.

1. The minerals identified on the tie and the lycopodium spores are consistent with someone who works assembling pyrotechnic devices with unique formulations in 1971.
2. The brief case and the alleged bomb configuration is similar to a pyrotechnic device size and the appearance by a stewardess would be tricked into thinking it was a bomb. ( Would someone smoke cigarettes if he really had dynamite?)
3. The burning object or flash of light observed and reported in your book is consistent with igniting a pyrotechnic device after or before leaving the plane
Bill Cover

 Tie: titanium, bismuth, aluminum, lycopodium

Aluminum [Al]
Most widely used fuel in modern pyrotechnics; produces a brilliant, bright flame.  The particles come in several of different shapes, such as flakes and grains.  From <http://www.cannonfuse.com/store/pc/Pyrotechnic-Formulas-Chemical-Guide-d28.htm>

Bismuth Trioxide [Bi2O3]Used as a non-toxic alternative to lead tetraoxide to make crackling stars.

 Bismuth Subcarbonate [(BiO)2CO3]Also used as a non-toxic alternative to lead tetraoxide to make crackling stars.

 From <http://www.cannonfuse.com/store/pc/Pyrotechnic-Formulas-Chemical-Guide-d28.htm>

Titanium [Ti]Metal used to produce bright white sparks, the intensity and duration of which is affected by particle size.

 From <http://www.cannonfuse.com/store/pc/Pyrotechnic-Formulas-Chemical-Guide-d28.htm>

flashpot
 
Lycopodium has been used in fireworks and explosives, fingerprint powders, as a covering for pills, and as an ice cream stabilizer. Today, the principal use of the powder is to create flashes or flames that are large and impressive but relatively easy to manage safely in magic acts and for cinema and theatrical special effects.

brief bio

Dr. William H. Cover is an accomplished Scientist and Regulatory Affairs Professional with more than 25 years of proven leadership experience in the pharmaceutical, biotechnology, and medical device industries.  Dr. Cover has worked for both large and small start-up companies holding positions in functional areas that include regulatory affairs, drug development, validation, quality assurance/control, production, and research.  He has both domestic and global regulatory affairs experience with commercial products and product candidates in development (proteins, small molecules, gene therapy products, medical devices, generics, and combination products).


Prior to specializing in Regulatory Affairs, Dr. Cover was the Head Research Scientist at PurePulse Technologies and directed activities for 12 development collaborations with both major pharmaceutical/medical device companies as well as small start-up organizations with product targets such as vaccines, virus inactivation methods, and sterilization of combination products and implantable medical devices. He has patents, publications and invited presentations in his fields of expertise.


EDUCATION and Academic Experience

 - Juris Doctorate  (2006-2011) Taft University

Assistant Professor of Biochemistry and Microbiology (1987-1988)
  University of New Orleans

 -  Life Science Research Fellow (1984-87)  Washington State University

Post-Doctoral Scholar: Microbiology (1983) UCLA
Ph.D. Microbiology (1978-1982) UCLA
M. S. Microbiology (1976-1978) Virginia Tech
B. S.  Biology (1970-1974) Virginia Tech




Second Email, 9. 9. 16:

“...same technology would have been used to make flares in the military that have different colors...could still be a military person.�


Third email, 9. 9. 16, regarding the "Fiery Object Theory"

"I do not think he had to intentionally ignite the pyrotechnic flash. Static electricity, mixing of chemicals as it left the plane (sudden jolt) while it is protected in the case. I assume he took the case or threw it out
 my understanding is it takes very little to accidently set off a charge in a homemade device.

Pyrotechnic theory satisfies Cooper as a real threat because igniting the device would cause the plane to catch fire and possibly crash. It is an exothermic reaction, so once it starts it keeps going. Maybe this is the only step that did not go as he planned.

A pyrotechnic composition is a substance or mixture of substances designed to produce an effect by heat, light, sound, gas/smoke or a combination of these, as a result of non-detonative self-sustaining exothermic chemical reactions."

Liked it Win! Do some more. Janet's flare sighting perhaps?

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He found some pollen spores - plenty of them. Lycopodium? I'll check if I have to....