Also, we have this from WSHS....

Hal Mount would be the gate agent who would pass Cooper off to the flight attendants.

Here is how crazy the theories of the Cooper letters can get....this guy claims he knows Frank Morris, and the Anglin brothers. this is a doctor out of Tampa...

he makes a lot of these videos in his office. you can see him constantly looking to see if someone is there (worried)

he reminds me a lot of Knoss. he truly believes what he is telling, to some extent. he thought I was a cop, because of my questions asked. he said I wasn't the typical "You Tuber" ..it's a little scary we have people in these positions acting like this.

The official NWO manuscript, as found here in this Forum's vault is wildly incorrect. So too, is the passenger list that Carol Abracadabra presented at the 2011 Portland Symposium that she sourced to the Seattle Times.

We now know the following:

1. Flight 305 had two Coopers aboard: Dan and Michael.
2. It is believed that both Mr. AND Mrs. Kloepfer were aboard. Not one or the other.
3. Only two MacPhersons were aboard, not three. They were Bill, father, and Scott, son.
4. The third member of the MacPherson party was their employee Paul Weitzel. He is listed simply as "Mr. Weitzel."

Mike Cooper is now 76 years old and a great guy. I hope to have him at the November get-together at Thun Field with other passengers and principals. Scott MacPherson is 69 and rather shy, but I trust that he would come. Billy Mitchell is the baby of the bunch at 64 and I'm sure he will stay in deep seclusion back in Renton or wherever his hiding spot is these days (Colbert's back pocket?). Larry Feingold is a pistol - sharp as a tack at 90-something, and going strong. Still a partner at his Seattle law firm, but I doubt that he would came - he just turned down an invite from Oprah.

Win Edson says:
I have some questions I hope someone can clarify- fairly basic stuff, but important.

If none of the Cooper money ever made it to the Federal Reserve (when they shred bills at the end of their useful life) then it's safe to say that the money was NEVER SPENT. I hear some people talking about clever money laundering techniques, but common sense says that no matter what 'techniques' you use, the original bills will still make it to the Fed at some point. Please correct me if I'm missing something here.

I've read that Cooper had a brown paper bag with him. Do we know if it was big enough to carry proper parachuting footwear, i.e. boots?

I've mentioned this in another post, but does anyone have a theory why Cooper would put on sunglasses toward the end of the hijacking? Common sense would say to wear them during the whole ordeal, or not at all.

What's the general consensus about whether Cooper's bomb was live or a fake?

And finally, there's theories out there that Cooper landed in water (either lake or river) and sank to the bottom. Opponents of this theory say that his body would float. But Cooper had 21 pounds of money tied around his waist. And if he did hit water that money would become water logged which would add considerable weight. Wouldn't this be enough to keep his body down?

Okay, I realize that's a lot of questions. I have read tons of previous posts, but I think it would take another month to finish them all. Forgive me if this stuff has been covered to death...

Thanks!
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BAS says:

1. The Fed never said it found Cooper money at it's burn bin. But so what. The money could have been laundered in so many ways and even deposited in the Black Market. The bigger question here, Win, what's the real question you want to ask? You're saying that despite all of these scenarios the money was probably NOT SPENT?

That's one possibility, but really, nothing much is "safe to say" in Cooper World.

2. Nope. No boots in paper bag. Two reports on a bag of any kind. One from Tina in the Reno debrief, and one from a passenger named Nancy House. General size of bag was small and relatively thin. I think the dimensions have been given by Larry Carr as 12x12x4.

3. I have no idea where you got the notion that DB Cooper put on his sunglasses near the end of the skyjacking. Bill Mitchell reports that DBC put his shades on as they crossed the tarmac to enter the plane or shortly thereafter, and crew debrief in Reno say the shades came on when Flo departed the scene at Row 18 and Tina took over.

4. I would say there is no general consensus on the truthiness of the bomb. Many researchers these days feel that it was fake. I'm not one of them. Most "fakers" say that the color of the wrapping paper around the sticks is a giveaway of a road flare. That assumes that DB Cooper wouldn't have covered his dynamite in a shade of red to convey the power of his bomb in a split second. Boils down to what kind of guy you think Cooper was: a schlub, an otherwise normal middle-aged guy doing a crazy thing, or a trained professional on a daring mission.

5. Water landings. I don't think we have much to base a conclusive or definitive idea on floatability. But, two things can be said: does a bag of tightly wound twenties float, much like a block of wood? Maybe. And the guy attached to the money bag - is he going to float, too? Again, maybe. What kind of skyjacker did you pick in #4 above? That choice determines the floatability of the skydiver, imho.

Parrotheadvol says:

...I don't know that the paper bag has ever been confirmed.

I think that most feel the bomb was probably fake.
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1. The paper bag is contentious. The color varies from brown to pink to green, and the material could have been burlap or paper. It's unclear when and where Tina saw whatever it is that she saw. Nancy House says she saw her "bag" sitting flat on top of the briefcase when DBC walked out of the lav and she was still on board and getting off. But this is problematic since it is widely believed that Cooper stayed in the lav until all the passengers had deplaned. Lots of confusion and conflicting statements on these few minutes of the hijacking.

2. Bomb Truth. At this point, I think we should require posters to give a brief-but-full disclosure statement on their bomb statements because other dynamics are so intertwined with this aspect of the crime. SO, if you say the bomb was fake, I think you should also tell us whether you think Cooper died in the jump, and if you think he was trained or not. I see the three issues as wrapped together as:

A: Bomb was fake, Cooper was a schlub, and he died.
B: Bomb was real, Cooper was a trained operative and he made it.
C: I don't know if the bomb was real or not, nor do I care if Cooper made it, or if he was a commando.

I don't know of anyone who believes the bomb was fake and that Cooper was a trained combat warrior. Is there anyone out there who thinks a SOG trooper would bring a fake bomb to his mission???

Parrotheadvol says:

...I don't know that the paper bag has ever been confirmed.

I think that most feel the bomb was probably fake.
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1. The paper bag is contentious. The color varies from brown to pink to green, and the material could have been burlap or paper. It's unclear when and where Tina saw whatever it is that she saw. Nancy House says she saw her "bag" sitting flat on top of the briefcase when DBC walked out of the lav and she was still on board and getting off. But this is problematic since it is widely believed that Cooper stayed in the lav until all the passengers had deplaned. Lots of confusion and conflicting statements on these few minutes of the hijacking.

2. Bomb Truth. At this point, I think we should require posters to give a brief-but-full disclosure statement on their bomb statements because other dynamics are so intertwined with this aspect of the crime. SO, if you say the bomb was fake, I think you should also tell us whether you think Cooper died in the jump, and if you think he was trained or not. I see the three issues as wrapped together as:

A: Bomb was fake, Cooper was a schlub, and he died.
B: Bomb was real, Cooper was a trained operative and he made it.
C: I don't know if the bomb was real or not, nor do I care if Cooper made it, or if he was a commando.

I don't know of anyone who believes the bomb was fake and that Cooper was a trained combat warrior. Is there anyone out there who thinks a SOG trooper would bring a fake bomb to his mission???

The bomb had the makings of a real bomb. That gave the presentation of a real bomb. Cooper showed the contents of the brief case so obviously he intended his witnesses to deliver enough of a 'convincing?' statement that it would gain him people's cooperation.  The issue is the sticks - dynamite vs road flares, or something else. So the bomb worked for it's intended purpose, real or not.

I fail to see how any of this relates to him surviving or not? I dont see how his use of a bomb identifies his background. Criminals using bombs or fake bombs or threats of bombs, is generic to all sorts of crimes from bank robbery to hijackings to people trying to get their girlfriends to cooperate and reconsider some personal conflict ... bombs are a generic tool for convincing people to cooperate.     

People are easily fooled, specially under stress.

Not long ago, I watched a You Tube video. a guy was trying to sell an actual 1 ounce gold krugerrand coin. nobody would touch it. he even offered to go in the coin shop behind him to verify the coin. he would ask for 20, 50 bucks....no takers.


Update: it was a Canadian $50 gold coin...it's been a while since I seen it...