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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1065 on: June 12, 2016, 01:49:32 PM »
The claim of the chute being Wallings was nothing more than a hunch. once you read about the story you will realize it's not that chute either. the FBI had no knowledge of Wallings, and simply agreed it could be his chute. it meant nothing more, unlike others who try and claim the FBI said it was Wallings chute.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1066 on: June 12, 2016, 02:58:23 PM »
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Most surplus chutes are sold without the harness. as you stated, there are dozens of reasons why a chute turns up, but my question is why none of the involved have come forward. the silence of the kids is rather questionable IMO. they blab everything, and yet......silence?

Until something can be proven its just one option _

Not everything in the Universe of Life is related to D B Cooper!  :))  Example: quote Emma 1972: The plane passed over here and it was ON FIRE! Turned out she was relying on hearsay from her son who knew (worked with) Janet and her husband at ____________ Trucking.  :))  But, you have to love this stuff. You just cant take it as gospel.

It would be easier if it was DB Cooper chute! Even FBI agents would admit that. One big mystery would be solved, immediately, after so many years. Its my information Carr and others went to the site not once but several times and dug etc .... they took this seriously. But Cossey and other experts nixed it saying (a) its the wrong kind of chute and (b) its the wrong material. It would be so much easier to say: BY GOD WE FOUND DB COOPER'S CHUTE!

The local historians and aviation historians didnt seem to able to provide an iron-clad explanation.

So option (c) is: its a WWII surplus chute prepped as surplus chutes were that somebody bought or was given and was using as a "cover" for farm equipment etc. If this was Iowa and any County in Iowa I would almost guarantee you this was a surplus chute used on the farm then disposed of and buried haphazardly ... 1950s onward.

Whatever is going on the people who found the chute aren't on TV talking about it! Not one reporter has been able to find or get to these people whoever they are so they certainly are not 'making hay' out of it, or promoting it.

It would be so much easier to say: we found DB Cooper's parachute. And none of the parties involved have said that. Only book writers and publicity hounds have said that, or suggested that. But for some reason they cant seem to even find the site or the people! I find that hilarious!  :))       
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1067 on: June 12, 2016, 03:04:14 PM »
Also, the chute didn't have to be in the ground from the 40's, or "1971"...the chute could of found it's resting place a year or two before it was found.
 

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« Reply #1068 on: June 12, 2016, 03:29:58 PM »
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Also, the chute didn't have to be in the ground from the 40's, or "1971"...the chute could of found it's resting place a year or two before it was found.

Exactly - one early report I read said that the field (actually clearing) beyond the access road the guy was trying to widen  was an old hay field. He wanted better access to that field. And there was a photo showing the guy on his tractor, the kids off to one side, and the field-clearing off in the distance. It made perfect sense to me. Hay field also implies  'covering material', past and present. No great leap of logic there. The next thing I noticed was the ropes on the chute were still intact. Without those ropes it is difficult to tie a chute down as a cover - they are light and catch the wind and want to billow and blow around. But it comes down to the type, the model/vintage, and the material and if that doesn't match with your best information ... what are you supposed to say and do? Declare it as being DB Cooper's parachute?

Rest assured _ the FBI will be keeping that parachute, come what may. Sooner or later something will leak out. And when that happens there will be debate about that!

It was a tactical decision to let Cooper get off the ground.       
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1069 on: June 22, 2016, 05:52:52 PM »
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Whatever is going on the people who found the chute aren't on TV talking about it! Not one reporter has been able to find or get to these people whoever they are so they certainly are not 'making hay' out of it, or promoting it.
       

Yup. And I keep trying to get them to talk.
 

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« Reply #1070 on: June 22, 2016, 06:23:32 PM »
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Whatever is going on the people who found the chute aren't on TV talking about it! Not one reporter has been able to find or get to these people whoever they are so they certainly are not 'making hay' out of it, or promoting it.
       

Yup. And I keep trying to get them to talk.

When this first surfaced on DZ I tried not to say much about the location, however, the very first reports on this discovery included maps and photos which were then taken down, for some reason. I have no reason not to believe those firsthand accounts and photos were not accurate. Based on that I think the location area where the chute was found is known (by a number of people). BTW, I think Blevins drove to the site and if you recall he then posted his map of objections as to why the FBI account could not be true and was likely the site of Cooper's chute'. If Blevins did not have the actual site he definitely was in the correct area -   
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1071 on: June 22, 2016, 06:50:19 PM »
Where Robert points out the chute on a map is not the correct location. he's showing it closer to Amboy...it's right between the marks on the map A & B ? if not mistaken....or just below the dam straight downward....I have a photo somewhere of Carr pointing it out on the FBI search map....
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« Reply #1072 on: June 22, 2016, 09:22:41 PM »
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Where Robert points out the chute on a map is not the correct location. he's showing it closer to Amboy...it's right between the marks on the map A & B ? if not mistaken....or just below the dam straight downward....I have a photo somewhere of Carr pointing it out on the FBI search map....

Um, thanks guys, but I'm really looking for a street address, a name, and a phone number. Remember, Meyer and I spent a day driving around Amboy and talked at length to four different sets of people about the location of the Amboy chute, including Dona Elliott. All the locations we were told were bogus, which sealed my opinion of Dona's veracity - although I have never doubted her enthusiasm for Danny Boy.

The lack of specificity in Amboy to its famous chute is now its own story. The village seems to be closing ranks to outsiders who are nosing around looking for the guy who found the "Amboy Chute." Why? My favorite explanation comes from Brian (name?) in the Amboy tavern (name?) who told me that he thought a deal has been made with the politzia and town fathers to keep the matter quiet. Apparently the land owner had some "legal issues" and traded immunity for full disclosure on the chute. Brian and I agreed that our two favorite topics of what those "issues" might be are: local drug dealing, and running around with someone's wife. But after Brian delivered his heartfelt confessional to me, he then gave Meyer and me the biggest run-around map of the day!

Another Fun Fact of Amboy is the collection of Norjak associations to the Buncombe Hollow - Cedar Creek road juncture. This intersection was the focal point of the LZ-A ground search conducted by the Cowlitz County Sheriff's Department under Tom McDowell. It was also where "Jake"- the Transporter from Walla Walla in GG's book - staked out his "middle-aged, male Caucasian" for a ride on 11. 14. 71. And it is the most-oft mentioned site for the Amboy Chute discovery.

It is also the nearest road to Green Mountain, which is Jo Weber's favorite topographical reference in Cooper Country, but she places it - not in Amboy where it actually is - but further south near Camas.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1073 on: June 22, 2016, 11:16:31 PM »
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Where Robert points out the chute on a map is not the correct location. he's showing it closer to Amboy...it's right between the marks on the map A & B ? if not mistaken....or just below the dam straight downward....I have a photo somewhere of Carr pointing it out on the FBI search map....

Could you post that photo again so we dont have to dredge it all back up ? Thanks!
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« Reply #1074 on: June 22, 2016, 11:21:21 PM »
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Where Robert points out the chute on a map is not the correct location. he's showing it closer to Amboy...it's right between the marks on the map A & B ? if not mistaken....or just below the dam straight downward....I have a photo somewhere of Carr pointing it out on the FBI search map....

Um, thanks guys, but I'm really looking for a street address, a name, and a phone number. Remember, Meyer and I spent a day driving around Amboy and talked at length to four different sets of people about the location of the Amboy chute, including Dona Elliott. All the locations we were told were bogus, which sealed my opinion of Dona's veracity - although I have never doubted her enthusiasm for Danny Boy.

The lack of specificity in Amboy to its famous chute is now its own story. The village seems to be closing ranks to outsiders who are nosing around looking for the guy who found the "Amboy Chute." Why? My favorite explanation comes from Brian (name?) in the Amboy tavern (name?) who told me that he thought a deal has been made with the politzia and town fathers to keep the matter quiet. Apparently the land owner had some "legal issues" and traded immunity for full disclosure on the chute. Brian and I agreed that our two favorite topics of what those "issues" might be are: local drug dealing, and running around with someone's wife. But after Brian delivered his heartfelt confessional to me, he then gave Meyer and me the biggest run-around map of the day!

Another Fun Fact of Amboy is the collection of Norjak associations to the Buncombe Hollow - Cedar Creek road juncture. This intersection was the focal point of the LZ-A ground search conducted by the Cowlitz County Sheriff's Department under Tom McDowell. It was also where "Jake"- the Transporter from Walla Walla in GG's book - staked out his "middle-aged, male Caucasian" for a ride on 11. 14. 71. And it is the most-often site for the Amboy Chute discovery.

It is also the nearest road to Green Mountain, which is Jo Weber's favorite topographical reference in Cooper Country, but she places it - not in Amboy where it actually is - but further south near Camas.

There was nothing in the first press reports and photos to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the discovery - if people then closed ranks to spare people public attention that's another matter.
 

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« Reply #1075 on: June 23, 2016, 01:46:18 AM »
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There was nothing in the first press reports and photos to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the discovery - if people then closed ranks to spare people public attention that's another matter.


Okay. So, can you send me a link to this? I haven't seen these press reports and photos.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1076 on: June 27, 2016, 06:05:30 PM »
"WWII surplus chute prepped as surplus chutes were that somebody bought or was given and was using as a "cover" for farm equipment etc."

Although marketed as car and equipment covers, surplus nylon parachutes were actually terrible choices for such use. They deteriorate RAPIDLY when left in the sun. A couple of months in summer sun and the fabric literally starts falling apart. We used some old C9 canopy as sun covers for seating areas at a DZ in the late 60s. In a few months they were self shredding in light winds.

I wish I could examine the riser ends or even the riser connector links of the Amboy canopy if they are still attached to the suspension lines. It would tell me a lot.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1077 on: June 27, 2016, 06:30:20 PM »
several people examined the chute (experts) I believe it was also sent to a lab. I seriously doubt it has anything to do with Cooper. the same thing happened before, a chute was found on the bank of the river, but nobody has been screaming coverup, or let me look at the chute. it also turned out not being Coopers......my guess it that chutes are all over Washington. nobody even knows if the chute was there for months, days, or years.....so the stories of the condition can only be spoken about if the time in the ground was known..
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« Reply #1078 on: June 27, 2016, 06:33:44 PM »
Id bet big odds it isn't Cooper's, but I'd sure like to know the history of it and how it ended up buried there. The hardware connecting the lines to the risers and the risers to the harness/container would tell me a lot.

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« Reply #1079 on: June 27, 2016, 06:38:25 PM »
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Id bet big odds it isn't Cooper's, but I'd sure like to know the history of it and how it ended up buried there. The hardware connecting the lines to the risers and the risers to the harness/container would tell me a lot.

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Chutes were used for many reasons, covering machinery, bails of hay, kids built forts with them, canopies, smoke jumpers equipment drops, car covers, etc. etc.

sure it would be nice to know where it came from, but I'll bet Cooper hasn't a clue  8)