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Do you believe Cooper lived or died. the option are below to cast a vote...

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35% Cooper lived.
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50% Cooper lived
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75% Cooper lived
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Offline Shutter

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1020 on: May 24, 2016, 08:48:53 AM »
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Hello Mack, and welcome to the forum...

And welcome to frustration 101  ;D ;D ;D this case can drive ya nuts some times...

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1021 on: May 24, 2016, 08:53:05 AM »
The link to the page on our website has the files of the statements taken from the crew shortly after the hijacking...since you have been here a while, you might of already read them, but here is the link...it helps understand what actually happened, and conflicts with some statements mentioned over the years.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1022 on: May 24, 2016, 02:46:51 PM »
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The link to the page on our website has the files of the statements taken from the crew shortly after the hijacking...since you have been here a while, you might of already read them, but here is the link...it helps understand what actually happened, and conflicts with some statements mentioned over the years.

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The only statement directly attributed to Cooper, in quotes, is: "I want $200,000 by 5:00pm in cash." Period!

Everything else is someone else's words. It's a classic case of official double-speak which is a translation of what someone said in simple spoken English translated into into "over baked para-military official gobble-wobble ". It's Dispatcher Language!

That Carol would use this to surmise he's Canadian is nonsense. She equally could have concluded the offical's writing this baloney - were from Mars!  :)) 

The only thing missing in this official versions is a translation into NAVAHO - so the Japs wouldn't understand it!   :)

 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1023 on: May 24, 2016, 02:47:57 PM »
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Hello, this is my first post but I'm longtime browser.  I've enjoyed reading the discussions here and appreciate the effort that has been put into this website.
Hello and welcome, Mack
There is a wealth of information on this website, and if you can wade through the many horrible personalities here, you'll find all kinds of interesting tidbits.  Good luck!   O0

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1024 on: May 24, 2016, 02:59:39 PM »
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Hello, this is my first post but I'm longtime browser.  I've enjoyed reading the discussions here and appreciate the effort that has been put into this website.
Hello and welcome, Mack
There is a wealth of information on this website, and if you can wade through the many horrible personalities here, you'll find all kinds of interesting tidbits.  Good luck!   O0

Ross

If by "wade through the many horrible personalities here" you mean some have been at this a long time and have become a little jaded by all of the claims of weirdos and wackos, well then 'yes'.   personality is as personality does and claims....  8)  There's always the other forum! There you have one guy pretending to be five or six people all at once!  >:D O0 C:-) 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1025 on: May 24, 2016, 03:13:31 PM »
Pretends?  ;D ;D ;D

I think the only thing he pretends is knowing real estate documents, and loans  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1026 on: May 24, 2016, 08:09:05 PM »
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Hello, this is my first post but I'm longtime browser.  I've enjoyed reading the discussions here and appreciate the effort that has been put into this website.
Hello and welcome, Mack
There is a wealth of information on this website, and if you can wade through the many horrible personalities here, you'll find all kinds of interesting tidbits.  Good luck!   O0

Ross

If by "wade through the many horrible personalities here" you mean some have been at this a long time...

Please elaborate on what "at this" means.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1027 on: May 24, 2016, 09:37:41 PM »
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Hello, this is my first post but I'm longtime browser.  I've enjoyed reading the discussions here and appreciate the effort that has been put into this website.
Hello and welcome, Mack
There is a wealth of information on this website, and if you can wade through the many horrible personalities here, you'll find all kinds of interesting tidbits.  Good luck!   O0

Ross

If by "wade through the many horrible personalities here" you mean some have been at this a long time and have become a little jaded by all of the claims of weirdos and wackos, well then 'yes'.   personality is as personality does and claims....  8)  There's always the other forum! There you have one guy pretending to be five or six people all at once!  >:D O0 C:-)

Actually, there are two active posters over at the other place. There's Robert M. Blevins and then there's that xoxscifiguy. They are the only two that ever seem to post, now that mikej got "ran off". :)
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1028 on: May 24, 2016, 09:47:05 PM »
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Hello, this is my first post but I'm longtime browser.  I've enjoyed reading the discussions here and appreciate the effort that has been put into this website.
Hello and welcome, Mack
There is a wealth of information on this website, and if you can wade through the many horrible personalities here, you'll find all kinds of interesting tidbits.  Good luck!   O0

Ross

If by "wade through the many horrible personalities here" you mean some have been at this a long time and have become a little jaded by all of the claims of weirdos and wackos, well then 'yes'.   personality is as personality does and claims....  8)  There's always the other forum! There you have one guy pretending to be five or six people all at once!  >:D O0 C:-)

Actually, there are two active posters over at the other place. There's Robert M. Blevins and then there's that xoxscifiguy. They are the only two that ever seem to post, now that mikej got "ran off". :)

what about the girl, Kristen, was it? ;D ;D ;D
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1029 on: May 24, 2016, 11:31:47 PM »
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Hello, this is my first post but I'm longtime browser.  I've enjoyed reading the discussions here and appreciate the effort that has been put into this website.
Hello and welcome, Mack
There is a wealth of information on this website, and if you can wade through the many horrible personalities here, you'll find all kinds of interesting tidbits.  Good luck!   O0

Ross

If by "wade through the many horrible personalities here" you mean some have been at this a long time and have become a little jaded by all of the claims of weirdos and wackos, well then 'yes'.   personality is as personality does and claims....  8)  There's always the other forum! There you have one guy pretending to be five or six people all at once!  >:D O0 C:-)

Actually, there are two active posters over at the other place. There's Robert M. Blevins and then there's that xoxscifiguy. They are the only two that ever seem to post, now that mikej got "ran off". :)

what about the girl, Kristen, was it? ;D ;D ;D

There could be a whole baseball team there and it would still be a zero-sum game. RMB 500 ... Rosemont Preschool 0 !  The game is rigged!   :)) C:-)

 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1030 on: May 25, 2016, 02:12:54 PM »
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Hello, this is my first post but I'm longtime browser.  I've enjoyed reading the discussions here and appreciate the effort that has been put into this website.

All the conflicting claims and supposed evidence in the DBC case is really frustrating.  Sluggo's website has a nice section on the facts and myths of the DBC case. Unfortunately it has not been updated since 2010.  Has any new evidence been released since then?  It would be really helpful to have all the physical evidence and witness statements in one place with footnotes as to their source.  It could be presented in a hierarchy based on how authoritative it is.  For example level 1 is physical evidence, level 2 is eyewitness testimony, level 3 is testimony from individuals who viewed the FBI files, etc.  I would start it myself but currently don't have the time or knowledge required. 

One thing that has been irking me lately is this: According to Sluggo's website, DBC asked for "$200,000 in cash" and not negotiable American currency as reported on many websites and books.  Until the facts are agreed on discussing suspects is an exercise in frustration.

Thanks for the vent. Still on my second cup of coffee this morning.

Until the facts are agreed on discussing suspects is an exercise in frustration.  That has always been a problem. Different people claim a different interpretation for the same evidence. A debate over Cooper's money demand had never come up before until Carol (on Tom's team) decided that the crew notes meant that Cooper asked for "negotiable American currency". Nobody had ever read those notes that way before. But, Tom immediately signed on to this 'theory'. That gave the theory status. Next thing you know it has gone public; and now many people claim that "is" what Cooper said ... when it is not clear he actually said "negotiable American currency" at all! Carol goes forward and builds a whole Canadian identity for Cooper based on what may be a false premise.

The same thing happened with the Cooper Comic. Gray brought into question Cooper's clothing, hair, and the physical description after finding contradicting 'evidence' when reading FBI files.

There are people who wonder/claim that the Cooper hijacking never happened at all and was nothing more than a government exercise and ruse! And so it goes ...

That is the internet social climate we live in, and live with. Different people come to this with different motivations.  Some have a book or a candidate at stake. Some are trying to promote a business and themselves, only. Some believe the whole Cooper chase is a waste of time. Every time we have ever tried to assemble a common set of facts there has been deep disagreement. It's like herding cats. I started with one single cat on a farm years ago and today there are many (uncountable), and all but my original cat (who died years ago) were dropped off by somebody in the middle of the night, etc.  :) 

All I can say is that is the way it is and I doubt it is going to change any time soon. Within those parameters you try to maintain your interest in the Cooper case and do what you can do, and that is the extent of any control you have in this matter, for better or for worse. Here's hoping yours is a happy Cooperland marriage@!    :))

Start with the basic records, PI ATC flight comms transcript, everything WSHM published, and by all means read the latest FBI release of the Campbell interviews of the crew. Then digest Sluggo's site, which is out of date but solid material. That is where I would start if starting fresh today. Good luck!  ;)
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1031 on: May 25, 2016, 03:08:49 PM »
Mack is on the right track. ( isn't that a song  ;D ;D) he's asking the right questions, and throwing in some idea's for storing evidence.

I'm trying to accomplish that with the website. time slips by so fast it's hard to keep up on things with my schedule.

It's rather confusing once you really sink into the case and find out things are skewed, or inaccurate. it takes time to clear the slate.

One thing you will never see happen here is closing out the public every other week like some childish game a 9 year old plays C:-)
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1032 on: May 25, 2016, 03:23:58 PM »
Northwest plane just happened to be in the right place at the right time.....

This is a key point, but what did he mean? that's the million dollar question...
 

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« Reply #1033 on: May 25, 2016, 04:24:21 PM »
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Northwest plane just happened to be in the right place at the right time.....

This is a key point, but what did he mean? that's the million dollar question...

It means that Cooper was looking for a 727, a fact that he confirmed with the ticket agent, knew how to read an airline time and equipment schedule, and had enough brainpower to decide that it was the NWA 727 flight into Portland (and headed to Seattle) that he wanted to board.
 

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« Reply #1034 on: May 25, 2016, 04:47:41 PM »
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Northwest plane just happened to be in the right place at the right time.....

This is a key point, but what did he mean? that's the million dollar question...

It means that Cooper was looking for a 727, a fact that he confirmed with the ticket agent, knew how to read an airline time and equipment schedule, and had enough brainpower to decide that it was the NWA 727 flight into Portland (and headed to Seattle) that he wanted to board.

that he wanted to board.  wanted to hijack. He evidently had been looking for an opportunity to hijack 'the right plane in the right place and time'. Key word 'opportunity'. An opportunity that fit his idea of a plan for hijacking a plane and bailing out to escape. 
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