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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #255 on: January 01, 2018, 01:33:41 AM »
The tie and Mother of pearl tie clasp that McCoy had resembles Cooper's. There are receipts that show that he was in Vegas on the 24th. If the FBI hadn't botched the investigation by not collecting magazines on the plane and losing the cigarettes this case would be solved. One thing of interest in the book The real McCoy Jack Ricks one o the Reno FBI agents said someone saw a man running in a black raincoat from the rear stairs just before the Cooper plane came to a stop in Reno at 11:00
 

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #256 on: January 01, 2018, 01:38:34 AM »
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The tie and Mother of pearl tie clasp that McCoy had resembles Cooper's. There are receipts that show that he was in Vegas on the 24th. If the FBI hadn't botched the investigation by not collecting magazines on the plane and losing the cigarettes this case would be solved. One thing of interest in the book The real McCoy Jack Ricks one o the Reno FBI agents said someone saw a man running in a black raincoat from the rear stairs just before the Cooper plane came to a stop in Reno at 11:00


can you prove any of this? from what I can see it's all in the book and goes no further, no proof of anything receipt wise, or anything about the tie being related to McCoy...a man running from the rear of the plane, really?
 

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« Reply #257 on: January 01, 2018, 01:40:45 AM »
You do realize they had the airport covered very well, and I believe they would of grabbed anyone near the plane...I can't buy into that one bit....

Basically, you could be like Sailshaw and state that McCoy's DNA will be on the tie clip since it belongs to him.

The "facts" in that book have never been verified. they claim a lot, but show proof of nothing....
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« Reply #258 on: January 01, 2018, 02:05:51 AM »
Don't ya think the FBI checked McCoy's fingerprints?
 

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #259 on: January 01, 2018, 02:30:57 AM »
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If the FBI hadn't botched the investigation by not collecting magazines on the plane and losing the cigarettes this case would be solved.

They could eliminate suspects with certainty vs closing the case. 377 believes they might have them, it's possible. the whole problem appears to be us not really knowing what they know!

I see many like yourself going directly after the FBI when things can't be explained, or matched. LD Cooper, Christiansen, Peterson, Weber, Gossett etc. all blame the FBI, and all believe they were Cooper? can all of you be right and the FBI wrong? then when an opportunity comes along like checking prints, or DNA you all say the samething, "it's probably not Coopers prints, or DNA"? it's a never ending circle....


I just went into my room where my television is on...the show about McCoy escaping prison is on the "escape" channel.....
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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #260 on: January 01, 2018, 02:47:36 AM »
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The tie and Mother of pearl tie clasp that McCoy had resembles Cooper's. There are receipts that show that he was in Vegas on the 24th. If the FBI hadn't botched the investigation by not collecting magazines on the plane and losing the cigarettes this case would be solved. One thing of interest in the book The real McCoy Jack Ricks one o the Reno FBI agents said someone saw a man running in a black raincoat from the rear stairs just before the Cooper plane came to a stop in Reno at 11:00

very funny!  :bravo:

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #261 on: January 01, 2018, 03:16:19 AM »
lets recap....

McCoy might be Cooper based on him looking like the sketch, but probably used makeup to hide his real appearance that would make him not like the sketch? I'm still confused...

the crew said McCoy was not Cooper? but they didn't know because he wore makeup and that's why McCoy looks like the sketch? still confused, sorry...

He might of faked the jump because a man "wearing black" color known in the dark was seen running from a moving jet surrounded by FBI agents?

a tiny tie clip has been identified as the same worn by McCoy? that little devil gets identified more than anything in this case. it's so flashy and can be remembered decades later, not so much on the tie?

McCoy made a collect phone call from Vegas (never proven) and his credit card was used and signed by him
(also never proven) or backed with documentation.

McCoy & Cooper both wrote/typed on flight plans, and both gave "extensive" flight plans?

McCoy's DNA should be on the tie clip?

none of the prints will match McCoy due to them not checking the magazines?

let us not forget the two stained fingers, even though the stews noticed his hands and no jewelry?

 McCoy's eyes were light blue; Cooper's ears had no distinguishing characteristics, McCoy's ears stuck out so prominently that his nickname was "Dumbo", and he wore a scarf to conceal them during the Denver hijacking

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #262 on: January 01, 2018, 04:20:45 AM »
I took a quick pick of my Cooper tie clip that is so memorable to those who remember it from decades past..this should give you an idea of the size and how so many can remember this quality piece of jewelry.... 8)

It was widely sold as a set including cuff links, money clip, tie bar etc. funny how nobody ever mentions "seeing" any other parts of this jewelry on there suspect?
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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #263 on: January 01, 2018, 11:17:14 AM »
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The tie and Mother of pearl tie clasp that McCoy had resembles Cooper's. There are receipts that show that he was in Vegas on the 24th. If the FBI hadn't botched the investigation by not collecting magazines on the plane and losing the cigarettes this case would be solved. One thing of interest in the book The real McCoy Jack Ricks one o the Reno FBI agents said someone saw a man running in a black raincoat from the rear stairs just before the Cooper plane came to a stop in Reno at 11:00

The landing in Reno was very carefully observed by the people in the tower at the request of the flight crew who wanted to know if the stairs were being damaged.  And you can bet that LE and the FBI had people concealed all over the place.

The landing and parking of the aircraft in Reno is described in the radio transcripts for the Reno tower.  It would be a good idea for you to read them.
 

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« Reply #264 on: January 01, 2018, 12:56:39 PM »
According to an article by Bruce Smith..the agents had trouble remembering who did what on the plane after it landed, now you expect people to believe they seen a man running from the plane? this would of changed everything, even if one agent stated this at the time. my credibility meter is pegging backwards on the meter with this book..I can see why Portland & Seattle FBI don't believe this theory...

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Rhodes writes that Ricks remembers Stousland dusting for fingerprints while Ricks himself collected cigarette butts and paper cups.

 However, John Norris recalled the Reno City PD performing the fingerprint dusting.

 Further, during his interviews with members of the larger FBI team on ground duty, several agents had difficulty recalling exactly what they did that night.  As Rhodes describes it, the agents weren’t purposefully forgetful, but rather their minds seemed fuzzy.

 Rhodes was aghast, and interviewed the agents on two additional occasions in 1989 to see if their memory would improve.  It didn’t.

I believe the proper procedure would be the FBI doing everything, and the local police only used as extra enforcement on the scene. Harold Campbell of the FBI was in charge in Reno..not the local police!
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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #265 on: January 01, 2018, 02:28:56 PM »
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lets recap....

McCoy might be Cooper based on him looking like the sketch, but probably used makeup to hide his real appearance that would make him not like the sketch? I'm still confused...

the crew said McCoy was not Cooper? but they didn't know because he wore makeup and that's why McCoy looks like the sketch? still confused, sorry...

He might of faked the jump because a man "wearing black" color known in the dark was seen running from a moving jet surrounded by FBI agents?

a tiny tie clip has been identified as the same worn by McCoy? that little devil gets identified more than anything in this case. it's so flashy and can be remembered decades later, not so much on the tie?

McCoy made a collect phone call from Vegas (never proven) and his credit card was used and signed by him
(also never proven) or backed with documentation.

McCoy & Cooper both wrote/typed on flight plans, and both gave "extensive" flight plans?

McCoy's DNA should be on the tie clip?

none of the prints will match McCoy due to them not checking the magazines?

let us not forget the two stained fingers, even though the stews noticed his hands and no jewelry?

 McCoy's eyes were light blue; Cooper's ears had no distinguishing characteristics, McCoy's ears stuck out so prominently that his nickname was "Dumbo", and he wore a scarf to conceal them during the Denver hijacking

well ...! ... McCoy looks like Cooper like wolf hounds look like dogs! Its a generic fit at best. When the poster tells us we need our eyes checked, in order to fit his square peg into a round hole, he is confessing .... its all hogwash.

The rest can be covered by the Law of Innumeracy and Coincidence. 

I am beginning to wonder how any years can be spent at the same old game?  It is like some of us have quite unintentionally become a bulwark against bullshit! Having to explain endlessly the same old trivia. Maybe there needs to be a Cooper Ombudsman, Is that what this has become?  :rofl:

So, did anyone see Cooper's Soul rise out of the airplane when it landed at Reno ... or otherwise? I am sure someone did! Let them report here.  :chr2:
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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #266 on: January 01, 2018, 09:17:24 PM »
Things that I post here are things that I have read. I think that many people here over think evidence. I was privately messaged before about people here being rude to newbies. It's time to learn more info about DB Cooper and leave this forum. I will ask administraters to delete my account here if I can't figure it out tonight.
 

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« Reply #267 on: January 01, 2018, 10:54:16 PM »
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Things that I post here are things that I have read. I think that many people here over think evidence. I was privately messaged before about people here being rude to newbies. It's time to learn more info about DB Cooper and leave this forum. I will ask administraters to delete my account here if I can't figure it out tonight.

I'm sorry to hear this....I agree that some people need to back off while posting replies here. it should go both ways. if someone doesn't like reading a certain post it should be ignored. you also have to understand at some point that many have been down the road with things new comers to the case try and present, but shouldn't get to the point of members leaving...

I will be removing the admin titles on two members since they were never really intended for any position on this forum other than a way to communicate outside of the public threads for other purposes. it never really worked from day one. the thread died.

I can not have members leaving this forum due to attacks..not everyone has the knowledge that many hold here, but should feel comfortable enough to post. obviously that's not the case here. this is a public forum where anyone can post, except those who have gotten out of line in the past and were removed. I don't put any demands on anyone. the site never closes down to the public for ANY reason other than server issues. attack the data, not the member! I've mentioned several times that we have a "ignore" option that works well and you will not see anything they post.

If we are only to discuss new things surrounding Cooper, this site will be dormant for most of the year since new things don't surface often with the case.

 

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #268 on: January 01, 2018, 11:22:31 PM »
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Things that I post here are things that I have read. I think that many people here over think evidence.

I disagree with this...

I understand you read the book about McCoy, but nothing in that book has ever been verified. zero documentation has ever surfaced. actually, it should of been a big part of the book. you just can't make claims in a book without backing the statements up. to think anyone hijacking a plane would think they could get away while the plane is coming to a stop is a little out there, no? if we are taking pokes, I think people who read some of these books over react IMHO.

I feel warm and cozy when I see things backed up with documentation, or it's just hearsay. they need to provide the evidence before anyone should believe anything they say...that's the bottom line...
 

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #269 on: January 02, 2018, 09:02:28 PM »
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