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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #180 on: July 13, 2016, 09:30:12 PM »
I think you're correct, Shut
 

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #181 on: July 17, 2016, 12:01:52 AM »
I finished Marla's book.  I wanted to add a few thoughts.

First, I agree with Bruce.  The FBI was willing to look into her story because it came from law enforcement, and even then wouldn't do it until she decided to go public.

Her father she suggested she write the book "Remember about your uncle hijacking that plane?  Remember how he showed up hurt?".  Why didn't he write the book?  Marla didn't remember those things.  I wonder if her dad knew he was not long for this world, and actually died a couple of months later.

Marla recovered some memories, but most of those were corroborated by others.  Her dad reminded her the conversations with Dewey about "we hijacked a plane!".  Her memories of LD being badly hurt that day were also corroborated by a cousin where he went to recover that day.

That's really all she had directly.  Other memories that couldn't be corroborated (like the DB Cooper comic) are more problematic.  She did write something I suspected....A blogger who had a contact said she had told the FBI something that had never been made public and that's why LD was the "promising suspect".  Unfortunately, she doesn't know what that is either.  That rings true since when the FBI called LD "promising", they already knew the DNA didn't match and they couldn't pull any usable fingerprints.

So, she's not that different from others.  She's confident she knows who DB Cooper, but can't put him on the plane.

One interesting part -- that doesn't name names.  Someone named "Jane Smith" trolled her Facebook page, directing her to negative comments about her on DZ.  We know Jane Smith is Blevins.  She believes Jane Smith also shared personal information about her (her dirty laundry about he children and ex-husbands), but I didn't think that was Robert.  I'm sure we'll find out when he posts it on the other site.
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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #182 on: July 17, 2016, 12:29:10 AM »
I don't believe Marla what so ever. she remembers to much detail. her story has changed over the years. two different landing area's. her grandmothers house was way to small to have rooms, and people staying there. nothing adds up credible.

Her interview on the latest show was an embarrassment. it was extremely obvious she was throwing things into the story trying to seek approval, or verification, but they simply didn't buy into it either. some people just don't know when to stop...
 

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #183 on: July 17, 2016, 04:13:10 AM »
In Marla's defense, the editing of her interview appeared choppy to me, meaning that the cutting and splicing could have amplified her wackiness.

Now, she could have been talking coo-coo anyway, at length, and the editing was just designed to spare us more misery.

But the core of her ramblings are worth considering and investigating further; namely the political impacts of the skyjacking and the notion that Norjak was a rogue operation designed to force safety changes upon the aviation industry.

At the very least, I think we would be well-served if we developed a time-line for safety upgrades in the airlines business. I had a hefty conversation about this subject with Larry Finegold, as he lives in Israel part-time and flies El Al with regularity.

Besides the Cooper Vane, not much happened in the next year or two, but a shift in American politics did occur that resulted in improved airlines safety and a decrease in skyjackings - Cooper, Cuba, and others. I know this is Bob Knoss territory, but BK might be on the right track!

The political need for a well-known, cataclysmic event, like Norjak, was real. Remember, the legacy airlines needed the federal government to "nationalize" airline safety so that all airlines had to comply with all the regulations at the same time, and all airports had to participate as well. Otherwise, the low-cost airlines would skimp, and the problems wouldn't go away. Additionally, making the policy implementation nationwide meant that the airlines could pass the same level of costs off to their passengers at the same time. Such a deal. How could any airlines exec say no?

Federal orchestration of airline safety continues to this day! Gawd Bless the TSA!
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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #184 on: July 17, 2016, 01:17:07 PM »
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In Marla's defense, the editing of her interview appeared choppy to me, meaning that the cutting and splicing could have amplified her wackiness.

Now, she could have been talking coo-coo anyway, at length, and the editing was just designed to spare us more misery.

But the core of her ramblings are worth considering and investigating further; namely the political impacts of the skyjacking and the notion that Norjak was a rogue operation designed to force safety changes upon the aviation industry.

At the very least, I think we would be well-served if we developed a time-line for safety upgrades in the airlines business. I had a hefty conversation about this subject with Larry Finegold, as he lives in Israel part-time and flies El Al with regularity.

Besides the Cooper Vane, not much happened in the next year or two, but a shift in American politics did occur that resulted in improved airlines safety and a decrease in skyjackings - Cooper, Cuba, and others. I know this is Bob Knoss territory, but BK might be on the right track!

The political need for a well-known, cataclysmic event, like Norjak, was real. Remember, the legacy airlines needed the federal government to "nationalize" airline safety so that all airlines had to comply with all the regulations at the same time, and all airports had to participate as well. Otherwise, the low-cost airlines would skimp, and the problems wouldn't go away. Additionally, making the policy implementation nationwide meant that the airlines could pass the same level of costs off to their passengers at the same time. Such a deal. How could any airlines exec say no?

Federal orchestration of airline safety continues to this day! Gawd Bless the TSA!

Bruce, I regularly flew the airlines in the 1960s and 1970s when this fairy tale you have repeated above was suppose to have happened.

There is absolutely nothing to the claim that the Cooper matter was a staged hijacking.  Even if you got that word direct from Richard Nixon himself, it is pure BS.  Hijackers were routinely shot if at all possible, and sometimes with significant collateral damage as a member of this thread can attest.

Plain and simple, the Cooper hijacking was a two-bit crime where the criminal got lucky for several hours.  When he stepped off those stairs, he had to deal with Mother Nature and he lost.  If Cooper's body had been found, this whole matter would have been forgotten by the end of 1971.

It continues to be a mystery to me why the FBI was looking for Cooper 20+ miles from where he, in all probability, jumped.   
 

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #185 on: July 17, 2016, 02:26:10 PM »
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It continues to be a mystery to me why the FBI was looking for Cooper 20+ miles from where he, in all probability, jumped.   

I hope you'll write more on your thread you created a couple of weeks ago about the flight path and the jump.  I've read your posts for several years and I confess I can't always keep up, but I was doing fairly well on that thread, so I'm looking forward to updates.

Since they haven't found anything after all this time, it's a good idea to raise the question "Are we looking in the wrong place?".

Reminds me of the joke about the drunk looking for his keys:

Man:  What are you doing?
Drunk:  I lost my keys over there.
Man:  If you lost your keys over there, why are you looking here?
Drunk:  The light is better over here.

 :)) :)) :))

 

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« Reply #186 on: July 17, 2016, 03:04:06 PM »
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It continues to be a mystery to me why the FBI was looking for Cooper 20+ miles from where he, in all probability, jumped.   

I hope you'll write more on your thread you created a couple of weeks ago about the flight path and the jump.  I've read your posts for several years and I confess I can't always keep up, but I was doing fairly well on that thread, so I'm looking forward to updates.

Since they haven't found anything after all this time, it's a good idea to raise the question "Are we looking in the wrong place?".

Reminds me of the joke about the drunk looking for his keys:

Man:  What are you doing?
Drunk:  I lost my keys over there.
Man:  If you lost your keys over there, why are you looking here?
Drunk:  The light is better over here.

 :)) :)) :))

I do need to get back to writing and fast.  So I am going to post a very brief item on the Tina Bar area later today and then I need to get some other matters, which are not speculation, posted.  Then I will go back to the jump itself and stay on that subject.

Your story above is of special interest to me.  I read a similar story in some book, I can't remember the author's name (I thought it was Carlos Castaneda but it apparently isn't), but it is on page 125 of a book that was only about 127 pages long.  I apparently can remember the story and page numbers better than names.

Anyway, the author was describing some people who were searching for a city of gold and were unsuccessful.  The author wrote that, in fact, there was no city of gold but that the people in question had found a beautiful location to search for it. :))

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #187 on: July 17, 2016, 03:19:02 PM »
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It continues to be a mystery to me why the FBI was looking for Cooper 20+ miles from where he, in all probability, jumped.   

I hope you'll write more on your thread you created a couple of weeks ago about the flight path and the jump.  I've read your posts for several years and I confess I can't always keep up, but I was doing fairly well on that thread, so I'm looking forward to updates.

Since they haven't found anything after all this time, it's a good idea to raise the question "Are we looking in the wrong place?".

Reminds me of the joke about the drunk looking for his keys:

Man:  What are you doing?
Drunk:  I lost my keys over there.
Man:  If you lost your keys over there, why are you looking here?
Drunk:  The light is better over here.

 :)) :)) :))

I do need to get back to writing and fast.  So I am going to post a very brief item on the Tina Bar area later today and then I need to get some other matters, which are not speculation, posted.  Then I will go back to the jump itself and stay on that subject.

Your story above is of special interest to me.  I read a similar story in some book, I can't remember the author's name (I thought it was Carlos Castaneda but it apparently isn't), but it is on page 125 of a book that was only about 127 pages long.  I apparently can remember the story and page numbers better than names.

Anyway, the author was describing some people who were searching for a city of gold and were unsuccessful.  The author wrote that, in fact, there was no city of gold but that the people in question had found a beautiful location to search for it. :))

I think the group searching for Amelia Earhart near Nikumaroro (formerly Gardner) Island might be doing the same thing.
 

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #188 on: July 17, 2016, 04:46:40 PM »
I vote that we start looking for DB Cooper on Maui. Summer has yet to arrive in Cooper Country. Today is cool and cloudy. High temps about 70. Overcast skies. Shutter's hot tub is the only way I could swimming this summer!

I'll have to email Bryan Woodruff and see if he's interested in moving the Ariel Store to a beach of his choosing on Hawaii. After all, if he's going to have to get permits and stuff, why not do it right?!

Now that would give the Travel Channel something to film, eh?
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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #189 on: July 17, 2016, 04:48:59 PM »
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Bruce, I regularly flew the airlines in the 1960s and 1970s when this fairy tale you have repeated above was suppose to have happened.
   

Okay, but it means that we need to start developing the time line. What happened when, and why.
 

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« Reply #190 on: July 17, 2016, 06:36:49 PM »
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It continues to be a mystery to me why the FBI was looking for Cooper 20+ miles from where he, in all probability, jumped.   

I hope you'll write more on your thread you created a couple of weeks ago about the flight path and the jump.  I've read your posts for several years and I confess I can't always keep up, but I was doing fairly well on that thread, so I'm looking forward to updates.

Since they haven't found anything after all this time, it's a good idea to raise the question "Are we looking in the wrong place?".

Reminds me of the joke about the drunk looking for his keys:

Man:  What are you doing?
Drunk:  I lost my keys over there.
Man:  If you lost your keys over there, why are you looking here?
Drunk:  The light is better over here.

 :)) :)) :))

I do need to get back to writing and fast.  So I am going to post a very brief item on the Tina Bar area later today and then I need to get some other matters, which are not speculation, posted.  Then I will go back to the jump itself and stay on that subject.

Your story above is of special interest to me.  I read a similar story in some book, I can't remember the author's name (I thought it was Carlos Castaneda but it apparently isn't), but it is on page 125 of a book that was only about 127 pages long.  I apparently can remember the story and page numbers better than names.

Anyway, the author was describing some people who were searching for a city of gold and were unsuccessful.  The author wrote that, in fact, there was no city of gold but that the people in question had found a beautiful location to search for it. :))

I think the group searching for Amelia Earhart near Nikumaroro (formerly Gardner) Island might be doing the same thing.

Totally agree with you.  She never said anything about going anywhere but Howland Island.  It was a three hour flight from Howland to Gardner at normal cruise speed (about 150 MPH).  If Amelia and Fred Noonan had arrived in the vicinity of Howland with that much fuel, I am sure that they would have been able to do an appropriate search and find Howland.

My guess is that they were doing a dog-leg approach to Howland and didn't fly it properly.  They were arriving just after dawn, had already taken their last star sight some distance away, and needed to wait a bit for the sun or other navigational body they were using at that point to get into a position that they could use.  And time ran out before they could get all that done.
 

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #191 on: July 18, 2016, 11:12:46 AM »
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I don't believe Marla what so ever. she remembers to much detail. her story has changed over the years. two different landing area's. her grandmothers house was way to small to have rooms, and people staying there. nothing adds up credible.

Her interview on the latest show was an embarrassment. it was extremely obvious she was throwing things into the story trying to seek approval, or verification, but they simply didn't buy into it either. some people just don't know when to stop...

I emailed Marla after reading her book and invited her to come on here.  That's probably a non-starter after her DZ experience -- and that was primarily bringing her up her personal history and contacting her kids and exes.

As far as her grandmother's house goes, she said it had three bedrooms and was probably around 1000 sq ft or a little less.  She wanted to know if you were aware that her old house had been recycled as part of a B&B that anyone can stay in. 

Like I said before Marla really only knows about what her father told her and what she saw on Thanksgiving morning.  Anything she says about flight path, jump spot, how her brothers got out, conspiracy, etc.  is just speculation on her part and no better than anyone else's. 

Whether you believe it or not, my question is what did the FBI pull from her story that caused them to put time, money and resources into? 
 

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #192 on: July 18, 2016, 11:21:54 AM »
I have to find it, but the house is hardly 1000 S/F. she posted a picture of it. the house was an old lumber shack. one room. it was very similar to a picture I posted prior to her picture. I fear another Blevins type of a problem with Marla in the picture. she is welcome to come here, but I don't see any good from it. LD is another suspect considered to be a non credible lead....

something 12 feet wide by 70 feet long isn't even enough for 1000 S/F......144 x 840 inches divided by 144 = 840 S/F
those shacks were built for men working, and sleeping...they were smaller than 1000 S/F. they were brought in by railroad
lifted off, and placed in area's where they were working.
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« Reply #193 on: July 18, 2016, 12:17:09 PM »
Ok, I did some quick research and found that flatcars back in that period were about 43 feet in length. the shacks were shorter than the flatcar leaving this shack to be under 400 S/F. 3 bedrooms, kitchen, or living room, bathroom, where do you fit it all?

Some of them were bigger, but grannies house seems to be about 12 feet wide, I can't tell how deep it is, but it's consistent with smaller ones as shown in the photo. the first photo has Marla's grandmothers house shown in the upper right.
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« Reply #194 on: July 18, 2016, 01:41:46 PM »
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I have to find it, but the house is hardly 1000 S/F. she posted a picture of it. the house was an old lumber shack. one room. it was very similar to a picture I posted prior to her picture. I fear another Blevins type of a problem with Marla in the picture. she is welcome to come here, but I don't see any good from it. LD is another suspect considered to be a non credible lead....

something 12 feet wide by 70 feet long isn't even enough for 1000 S/F......144 x 840 inches divided by 144 = 840 S/F
those shacks were built for men working, and sleeping...they were smaller than 1000 S/F. they were brought in by railroad
lifted off, and placed in area's where they were working.

That could be right. Marla said "no more than 1000 sq ft".