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« Reply #165 on: July 13, 2016, 12:33:16 AM »
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Vicki, in her non-stop sleuthing, discovered that Marla published her book today.

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It's pretty clear she rushed it out.  It's listed as "Unedited", and it is.  I downloaded the Kindle version and skimmed it.

It's her story as we've heard it before.   There are a few parts I snickered out -- how "Jane Smith" friended her on Facebook and asked her to come onto DZ and read the comments.  Hee. Hee.  But, the part I thought was interesting was kid of peels back the curtain what it's like to deal with the FBI -- her conversations and emails with Eng and how they responded to her.  I was hoping to figure out what about her story was so different in her story that got them interested, but I didn't find it.  I don't think even Marla knows.

Of course! What other option does she have? Her appearance on the program was a fiasco. Fire Sale immediately!

By the same token are Gray and his publisher rushing to set up an 'arrangement' with Senator Tea Party in Washington DC? I cant see Gray giving up. He is too heavily invested also.

Any serious investor must now recalculate the odds.
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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #166 on: July 13, 2016, 01:05:48 AM »
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Vicki, in her non-stop sleuthing, discovered that Marla published her book today.

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It's pretty clear she rushed it out.  It's listed as "Unedited", and it is.  I downloaded the Kindle version and skimmed it.

It's her story as we've heard it before.   There are a few parts I snickered out -- how "Jane Smith" friended her on Facebook and asked her to come onto DZ and read the comments.  Hee. Hee.  But, the part I thought was interesting was kid of peels back the curtain what it's like to deal with the FBI -- her conversations and emails with Eng and how they responded to her.  I was hoping to figure out what about her story was so different in her story that got them interested, but I didn't find it.  I don't think even Marla knows.

A tale of two books on Amazon:

1.  DB's Niece (In the Raw, Unedited!): A Memoir, Paperback, by Marla Wynn Cooper, $44.44 new.

2.  Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens, Paperback, by J. M. Barrie, $0.01 new.

Did Amazon give away free weed today during the Prime event?  Or is there another more bizarre explanation for the difference in prices between Marla's book and a classic?

 

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #167 on: July 13, 2016, 01:45:50 AM »
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Vicki, in her non-stop sleuthing, discovered that Marla published her book today.

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It's pretty clear she rushed it out.  It's listed as "Unedited", and it is.  I downloaded the Kindle version and skimmed it.

It's her story as we've heard it before.   There are a few parts I snickered out -- how "Jane Smith" friended her on Facebook and asked her to come onto DZ and read the comments.  Hee. Hee.  But, the part I thought was interesting was kid of peels back the curtain what it's like to deal with the FBI -- her conversations and emails with Eng and how they responded to her.  I was hoping to figure out what about her story was so different in her story that got them interested, but I didn't find it.  I don't think even Marla knows.

What do you think of Arlen Dorney's explanation for Marla's success in 2011? Specifically, the role the undercover FBI agent played.
 

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« Reply #168 on: July 13, 2016, 02:05:56 AM »
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Vicki, in her non-stop sleuthing, discovered that Marla published her book today.

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It's pretty clear she rushed it out.  It's listed as "Unedited", and it is.  I downloaded the Kindle version and skimmed it.

It's her story as we've heard it before.   There are a few parts I snickered out -- how "Jane Smith" friended her on Facebook and asked her to come onto DZ and read the comments.  Hee. Hee.  But, the part I thought was interesting was kid of peels back the curtain what it's like to deal with the FBI -- her conversations and emails with Eng and how they responded to her.  I was hoping to figure out what about her story was so different in her story that got them interested, but I didn't find it.  I don't think even Marla knows.

A tale of two books on Amazon:

1.  DB's Niece (In the Raw, Unedited!): A Memoir, Paperback, by Marla Wynn Cooper, $44.44 new.

2.  Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens, Paperback, by J. M. Barrie, $0.01 new.

Did Amazon give away free weed today during the Prime event?  Or is there another more bizarre explanation for the difference in prices between Marla's book and a classic?

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Family waits on LD toothbrush dna for break in D.B. Cooper case ...

"DNA samples from the 1971 hijacker's JCPenney clip-on tie do not match a sample given by one of Lynn Doyle Cooper's daughters, his niece said Tuesday. But the FBI has said L.D. Cooper remains at least a person of interest."

and "Marla Wynn Cooper, the niece of L.D. Cooper, on Tuesday said FBI agent Curtis Eng recently told her that after he receives the toothbrush fingerprint report from the crime lab, he plans to close the case."
 

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #169 on: July 13, 2016, 09:52:21 AM »
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Vicki, in her non-stop sleuthing, discovered that Marla published her book today.

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It's pretty clear she rushed it out.  It's listed as "Unedited", and it is.  I downloaded the Kindle version and skimmed it.

It's her story as we've heard it before.   There are a few parts I snickered out -- how "Jane Smith" friended her on Facebook and asked her to come onto DZ and read the comments.  Hee. Hee.  But, the part I thought was interesting was kid of peels back the curtain what it's like to deal with the FBI -- her conversations and emails with Eng and how they responded to her.  I was hoping to figure out what about her story was so different in her story that got them interested, but I didn't find it.  I don't think even Marla knows.

What do you think of Arlen Dorney's explanation for Marla's success in 2011? Specifically, the role the undercover FBI agent played.

I didn't read that part that closely.  I need to go back and read it more closely.

I agree that maybe being brought to them by other law enforcement got the FBI to give it a closer look than what it would have if it were an anonymous person.  But, they doesn't explain why they put resources into it and started looking for her family members.  On the surface, her case doesn't appear to have anything more to go on than a lot of other suspects -- unless she told them something that had never been made public.  The way the FBI jumped on her story was way different than the way they reacted to other stories.
 

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« Reply #170 on: July 13, 2016, 03:52:27 PM »
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I agree that maybe being brought to them by other law enforcement got the FBI to give it a closer look than what it would have if it were an anonymous person.  But, they doesn't explain why they put resources into it and started looking for her family members.  On the surface, her case doesn't appear to have anything more to go on than a lot of other suspects -- unless she told them something that had never been made public.  The way the FBI jumped on her story was way different than the way they reacted to other stories.


Another explanation, Mark, is that the FBI realized that they could use Marla to sell a story that they wanted sold, ie: the DB Cooper case is solved, and he's dead and buried in Sisters, Oregon.

As I understand from Marla, Arlen, Alex Hannaford, et al., the Marla/LD Cooper dossier was delivered to the desk of Curtis Eng in 2010 and it sat for many months. What Curtis and the Bureau did during that time is unknown.

But we do know that by the spring of 2011 the FBI in Seattle was on the Marla train, big time. Investigators were at work in Eugene, Oregon, at least at Santa Claus' house; polygraphs were given, at least to Marla; evidence collected, such as DNA swabs from LD Cooper's daughters in Sparks, Nevada; interviews conducted. By June 2011, Curtis had concluded that LD Cooper was his "most promising" suspect - or was ready to parade out this Marla ploy as a way to convince the world that he had solved the case - or his superiors were ready to cloak the Marla charade in his name, all in the purpose of disposing the DB Cooper case even if it meant throwing Eng under the bus.

In response, Eng may have trotted out the Al Di caper as an end run around this whole affair. Or someone else in the FBI did, and let it appear that Eng was Al Di. 

So, Mark, moving to the present era - what do you think of the timing of the FBI closing the case, just when the History Channel makes a Big Splash on Norjak. Coincidence????

Along those lines, does anyone know the History Channel's budget for this 4-hour docu? Anybody know where the money came from? Does anyone think the FBI may have kicked in a few bucks? Any coincidence that 40 retired FBI guys participated? Does anyone think that any retirees received a few bucks in the 25% "availability" payments on their pensions, as outlined by former special agent Bob Sale in his luncheon with Sail and me at the SYC a few years back.

Just askin'...

...anybody think this case is really closed?
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« Reply #171 on: July 13, 2016, 04:09:21 PM »
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I agree that maybe being brought to them by other law enforcement got the FBI to give it a closer look than what it would have if it were an anonymous person.  But, they doesn't explain why they put resources into it and started looking for her family members.  On the surface, her case doesn't appear to have anything more to go on than a lot of other suspects -- unless she told them something that had never been made public.  The way the FBI jumped on her story was way different than the way they reacted to other stories.


Another explanation, Mark, is that the FBI realized that they could use Marla to sell a story that they wanted sold, ie: the DB Cooper case is solved, and he's dead and buried in Sisters, Oregon.

As I understand from Marla, Arlen, Alex Hannaford, et al., the Marla/LD Cooper dossier was delivered to the desk of Curtis Eng in 2010 and it sat for many months. What Curtis and the Bureau did during that time is unknown.

But we do know that by the spring of 2011 the FBI in Seattle was on the Marla train, big time. Investigators were at work in Eugene, Oregon, at least at Santa Claus' house; polygraphs were given, at least to Marla; evidence collected, such as DNA swabs from LD Cooper's daughters in Sparks, Nevada; interviews conducted. By June 2011, Curtis had concluded that LD Cooper was his "most promising" suspect - or was ready to parade out this Marla ploy as a way to convince the world that he had solved the case - or his superiors were ready to cloak the Marla charade in his name, all in the purpose of disposing the DB Cooper case even if it meant throwing Eng under the bus.

In response, Eng may have trotted out the Al Di caper as an end run around this whole affair. Or someone else in the FBI did, and let it appear that Eng was Al Di. 

So, Mark, moving to the present era - what do you think of the timing of the FBI closing the case, just when the History Channel makes a Big Splash on Norjak. Coincidence????

Along those lines, does anyone know the History Channel's budget for this 4-hour docu? Anybody know where the money came from? Does anyone think the FBI may have kicked in a few bucks? Any coincidence that 40 retired FBI guys participated? Does anyone think that any retirees received a few bucks in the 25% "availability" payments on their pensions, as outlined by former special agent Bob Sale in his luncheon with Sail and me at the SYC a few years back.

Just askin'...

...anybody think this case is really closed?

Did you not hear?  Believe? When Eng announced through Marla to the world in 2011 that the FBI was closing the Cooper case?  It certainly was heard at DZ - we discussed it all! Probes were made. Marla was asked multiple times by multiple people and she confirmed on every occasion in spite of her own case being closed down.  "The FBI is closing the case after this." That is the stance the FBI has been in ever since. Never mind anything said by Blevins to the contrary. "I would be skeptical about anything Blevins says - very highly skeptical" (Geoffrey Gray 2009)

So in essence the case has been closed since 2011. Nothing has really changed for you in the meantime has it? And nothing will change as of this date. The world goes on just as it did before only people wake up to the status quo which has existed ever since 2011. As you always say: "I sleep until noon"!  :))  And everything else is just wishful thinking.
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« Reply #172 on: July 13, 2016, 04:36:49 PM »
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Just askin'...

...anybody think this case is really closed?

Ever since 2011, I've had the impression the FBI was not going to look at anything unless someone found a parachute, a body or some of the money.  That is still the case today.

The only difference is the case is out of the Seattle office and there is no SA permanently assigned to it.  The change seems mostly administrative to me.
 

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« Reply #173 on: July 13, 2016, 05:21:30 PM »
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Just askin'...

...anybody think this case is really closed?

Ever since 2011, I've had the impression the FBI was not going to look at anything unless someone found a parachute, a body or some of the money.  That is still the case today.

The only difference is the case is out of the Seattle office and there is no SA permanently assigned to it.  The change seems mostly administrative to me.

Basically, the case is closed unless someone can provide trial ready evidence, bodies, etc., that will stand up at the Supreme Court.
 

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« Reply #174 on: July 13, 2016, 08:08:42 PM »
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... But, the part I thought was interesting was kid of peels back the curtain what it's like to deal with the FBI -- her conversations and emails with Eng and how they responded to her.  I was hoping to figure out what about her story was so different in her story that got them interested, but I didn't find it.  I don't think even Marla knows.


Still thinking about Marla, and your question, Mark, of what it was that got Uncle LD to the head of the suspect line. I'd love to hear from Marla, now, what she thinks of the FBI. But back in 2011, this is what she said about the Bureau then, and why she thought they thought Uncle LD was the most promising suspect:

1. Marla's story was the only first-person account of a suspect's activities immediately after the skyjacking.
2. Marla passed a polygraph
3. Marla said that Eng told her that the FBI had shown Florence Schaffner a pix of Uncle LD and that it was the closest resemblance "of any of the pictures that you've shown me," or words to that effect. Initially, in Portland at the Symposium, Marla had told me that the FA was Tina, but when I said I had heard the same quote about "closest resemblance" attributed to Florence by GG, she back-tracked and indicated that she must have gotten the names mixed-up.
4. LD was a life-long resident of the Pacific Northwest, and thus knew about the LZ potentials.
5. Uncle Dewey worked at Boeing in the late 1960s, and must have learned about the 727 aft stairs capabilities at that time.
 

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« Reply #175 on: July 13, 2016, 08:19:50 PM »
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Ever since 2011, I've had the impression the FBI was not going to look at anything unless someone found a parachute, a body or some of the money.  That is still the case today.

The only difference is the case is out of the Seattle office and there is no SA permanently assigned to it.  The change seems mostly administrative to me.


I agree. I also agree with Curtis Eng's perspective that his job is to bring probative evidence to the US Attorney that has the capacity to convict a suspect.

But I do think that mission also has to include assisting others in finding that type of evidence, such as developing DNA phenotypes, clarifying and amplifying the pool of fingerprint samples taken in Reno, and explaining inconsistencies in FBI actions, such as why no one from the evidentiary collection team in Reno remembers seeing the tie, as described by Russ Calame and Bernie Rhodes in the their book, DB Cooper - The Real McCoy.

On a personal level, I was dismayed by Curtis' cheeky response at the end, when he waved at the boxes and said, "Goodbye evidence," in a sing-songy manner. Sounded like he was mocking the whole affair.
 

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On a personal level, I was dismayed by Curtis' cheeky response at the end, when he waved at the boxes and said, "Goodbye evidence," in a sing-songy manner. Sounded like he was mocking the whole affair.

Yeah...but he was being filmed and may have felt like he needed to give it some kind of send off. 

Curtis in looking back on it, might have wished he'd have done that differently.
 

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« Reply #177 on: July 13, 2016, 08:31:56 PM »
True. Maybe he was still thinking about Marla....
 

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« Reply #178 on: July 13, 2016, 08:58:58 PM »
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... But, the part I thought was interesting was kid of peels back the curtain what it's like to deal with the FBI -- her conversations and emails with Eng and how they responded to her.  I was hoping to figure out what about her story was so different in her story that got them interested, but I didn't find it.  I don't think even Marla knows.


Still thinking about Marla, and your question, Mark, of what it was that got Uncle LD to the head of the suspect line. I'd love to hear from Marla, now, what she thinks of the FBI. But back in 2011, this is what she said about the Bureau then, and why she thought they thought Uncle LD was the most promising suspect:

1. Marla's story was the only first-person account of a suspect's activities immediately after the skyjacking.
2. Marla passed a polygraph
3. Marla said that Eng told her that the FBI had shown Florence Schaffner a pix of Uncle LD and that it was the closest resemblance "of any of the pictures that you've shown me," or words to that effect. Initially, in Portland at the Symposium, Marla had told me that the FA was Tina, but when I said I had heard the same quote about "closest resemblance" attributed to Florence by GG, she back-tracked and indicated that she must have gotten the names mixed-up.
4. LD was a life-long resident of the Pacific Northwest, and thus knew about the LZ potentials.
5. Uncle Dewey worked at Boeing in the late 1960s, and must have learned about the 727 aft stairs capabilities at that time.

Good reasons.  Still kind of hoping there was more than that.
 

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« Reply #179 on: July 13, 2016, 09:06:54 PM »
I think it was the same that got attention to Colbert, law enforcement backing....that's the best referral anyone can get to open there eye's...