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Bruce, Do you have a photo of the "blonde lady in Yelm"?

Nope. But Google "JZ Knight" and take your pick!

I followed your instructions.  Are you sure that it is J.Z. Knight's spirituality or mysticism that quickens your pulse?  Just asking.

Bruce, page 150 in your book states that Alan Stone knew of 6 places where Cooper might have picked up the particles found on the tie, do we have a complete listing of these companies and locations?

There are six manufacturing sites where pure titanium is processed, as found on the tie by the Citizen Sleuths. Four are in the Untied States, and one of those sites is Oremet, down in Albany, Oregon.

Another site is in the UK, and another in Japan. That leaves three sites in the USA.

What those three other sites are, exactly, I do not know. I just went checking my notes and all the information above came from Alan during his presentation in Portland in 2011. I don't remember if he mentioned the three other places, but I kind of remember them as being Back East places.

Maybe the CS website has more information posted these days on this subject. If you check, let me know. I don't think it had any more info the last time I checked, and certainly my notes from their site does not disclose any more information.

Some in the USSR? In fact wasn't Ti difficult to get during the cold war, with the USSR being the primary source? So we cooked up schemes to tap into their distribution pipelines with the USSR becoming our primary source? Wasn't there a NOVA program about this ? Were the Cubans involved in this? Ti needed for all the spy planes and  testing programs at Area-51 .... in Nevada? [I have a grudge and it may be radiation poisoning or the Bay of Pigs fiasco?]

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There are six manufacturing sites where pure titanium is processed, as found on the tie by the Citizen Sleuths. Four are in the Untied States, and one of those sites is Oremet, down in Albany, Oregon.

Another site is in the UK, and another in Japan. That leaves three sites in the USA.

What those three other sites are, exactly, I do not know. I just went checking my notes and all the information above came from Alan during his presentation in Portland in 2011. I don't remember if he mentioned the three other places, but I kind of remember them as being Back East places.

Maybe the CS website has more information posted these days on this subject. If you check, let me know. I don't think it had any more info the last time I checked, and certainly my notes from their site does not disclose any more information.

Some in the USSR? In fact wasn't Ti difficult to get during the cold war, with the USSR being the primary source? So we cooked up schemes to tap into their distribution pipelines with the USSR becoming our primary source? Wasn't there a NOVA program about this ? Were the Cubans involved in this?

Georger, I don't know about the Cubans but you are right on the other points.  The need for TI in the USA greatly increased around 1960 as the North American B-70 aircraft and the Lockheed SR-71 series of aircraft started coming into use.  And the proposed SST would have used TI.

The TV program you refer to may have been a recent one on the History Channel on cable discussing the CIA's activities.

I think the Cubans and Mexico were involved in the pipeline for rare metals from the USSR needed here during the Cold War. Some of that development work was done in Nevada at Area-51. But you also had rare metals being used in munition development programs, by the Navy, in atomic energy programs etc all being developed during the same period. Since the number of sources for obtaining these rare materials on Earth is limited with few sources in North America, foreign sources became crucial. The particles found on the tie during this period puts the tie in this context - somewhere with someone. Aircraft industry, naval industry, munitions, atomic industry ... ? Several of those particles look machined. Others like something you would find in a processing context. It is highly unlikely those particles originated at Woolworth's or due to contamination in some FBI office or at the A&W!

Due to the specialised nature of these particles, these particles might match samples of rare materials in somebody's industry or government registry from that period.     

Would be interesting to have Normans NB 8 rig (now at WA History Museum) be analysed by Tom and Al to see if it too has the metals found on the tie. Might indicate that the source was Norman's machine shop. If uniformly distributed on the upper surface of the rig it would suggest that the rig was contaminated at the machine shop and not from DBC's tie.

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Would be interesting to have Normans NB 8 rig (now at WA History Museum) be analyzed by Tom and Al to see if it too has the metals found on the tie...

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Mark you continue to Drive Me Crazy with your fixation on the NB-8. Norman did not have one. He had a Pioneer, with a 26-foot Steinthaul canopy, which is what is in the WSHM.

Norman ran a machine shop that did work for Boeing. The chutes were stored in the same building his shop was in. Its possible that both of Normans chutes had the exotic metals on them and Cooper tie was contaminated from contact with the rigs. The rig left behind that is now at the WA History Museum should be tested by Tom and Al.

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Bruce wrote: "Mark you continue to Drive Me Crazy with your fixation on the NB-8. Norman did not have one. He had a Pioneer, with a 26-foot Steinthaul canopy, which is what is in the WSHM."

I stand corrected Bruce, but the error is inconsequential in this context. I just want to know if either or both of Normans rigs might have picked up Titanium, Aluminum and Bismuth from Norman's machine shop. Doesn't matter what kind of rigs they were. Just want to know if they were the source of tie metals.

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